Eske Esquire wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Isn't that the most likely explanation given the information we actually know?
It's no more likely than many of the scenarios posed by those you're arguing with.
Why? It's easy to say that, but can you give a rationale for this? Based on the recording of Zimmerman's call to the police, it sure sounds like a suspicious person walking around the area who runs as soon as he realizes he's being watched. There's no evidence that Martin ever saw Zimmerman prior to walking up to his car during that call. There's no evidence that Martin had *any* reason to run other than fear of being caught doing something wrong.
Why assume anything else? How many times a day do you walk down a street and pass someone sitting in a parked car? Do you normally run away when you see them? This is not "normal" behavior. At the very least, it qualifies as "suspicious".
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You're doing the same thing that you complain about them doing, except to the other end.
Except that I'm basing my perception on *only* things we know to be true. Those other scenarios rely heavily on assumptions, for which we have zero evidence. The whole "Martin ran because Zimmerman was stalking him" relies on an assumption that Zimmerman had followed him in his car prior to the phone call. But we have no evidence of this. Absolutely zero. And if Martin didn't run for that reason, then why? As I said above, normal people don't run just because there's someone in a parked car up the road.
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Straight up hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy would be me holding my position to a different standard than someone else's. I'm not doing that though. I'm holding all scenarios to the same "what does the evidence support" standard. I'm looking at what we know, and trying to determine the most likely explanation. Others are starting with the explanation they want to believe, and then inventing information to support it. I don't think it's hypocritical at all to point out that there's no evidence supporting their claims.
I have asked repeatedly for anyone to provide a source showing that Zimmerman followed Martin in his car. So far, not one person has been able to do this. Shouldn't this suggest that we should stop assuming that he did?