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#1 Jan 09 2012 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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For those who don't know what I'm referring to consider Tim Tebow a rather enigmatic young man who has made a name for himself by wearing his religion on his sleeve, and winning some football games (often in dramatic fashion). In fact just this weekend God's chosen Warrior (not my words there...) defeated the evil Big Ben Roethlisberger, who's off-field shenanigans include driving dangerously on motorcycles and alleged sexual assault.

So do you think there's something with this kid? Is the power of God working through him? Just been lucky? He's apparently made believers out of a number of people in Denver, should we count you among them? Going to do a little Tebowing of your own?

Is God working through Tim Tebow?
Yes, God is working miracles through him:0 (0.0%)
Rational explanation: something like faith gives people self-confidence:19 (39.6%)
Over-hyped God-boy just won a couple of games; lay off the punch:23 (47.9%)
I don't want to discuss this, why the f#$% did you bring it up?:6 (12.5%)
Total:48


If I fell anywhere I'm probably somewhere around an option #2 person myself.

Edited, Jan 9th 2012 11:28am by someproteinguy
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#2 Jan 09 2012 at 10:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just once I want someone with a sense of humor and athletic ability to thank Satan for his skill.
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#3 Jan 09 2012 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just once I want someone with a sense of humor and athletic ability to thank Satan for his skill.

"I'd just like to thank Lucifer, the fallen angel for this win. A lifetime of fame and glory for one measly eternal soul? Best deal I've ever made! PARTYY!"


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someproteinguy wrote:
If I fell anywhere I'm probably somewhere around an option #2 person myself.


Edited, Jan 9th 2012 11:20am by Nilatai
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#4 Jan 09 2012 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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That playoff win probably screwed DEN for next season. Now they pretty much have to build the system around Tebow as the starter. They would have been better off long-term if he fell on his face.
#5 Jan 09 2012 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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I'm disappointed, I thought this thread was going to be about plane sex.

Tebow's just another NFL quarterback currently on top of his game.

Brady and the boys kicked his butt pretty good a couple weeks ago iir. Go New England.




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#6 Jan 09 2012 at 10:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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I picked option 3.

Hubby and I were talking about Tebow after the game and we both agreed how funny it will be once he displays some real human behavior (caught with a hooker, DUI, something like that) and those people that think he's the Golden Child will leave in droves.
#7 Jan 09 2012 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
Let's put him on the next Madden game and see where his God is then!
#8 Jan 09 2012 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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catwho wrote:
Let's put him on the next Madden game and see where his God is then!
Smiley: lol


I'm kinda flip flopping between options 2 and 3. He's a natural leader and as a result, people rally behind him. And he makes things happen. If he can ever learn to throw (and that's not impossible) he could be around for a long time as a very serviceable QB. If he doesn't though, he's done in a year or two.
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#9 Jan 09 2012 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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Nadenu wrote:
I picked option 3.

Hubby and I were talking about Tebow after the game and we both agreed how funny it will be once he displays some real human behavior (caught with a hooker, DUI, something like that) and those people that think he's the Golden Child will leave in droves.
Most Broncos fans I know are just happy when he's winning games. Now, if he went to another team, that'd be a different matter.
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catwho wrote:
Let's put him on the next Madden game and see where his God is then!
Smiley: lol


I'm kinda flip flopping between options 2 and 3. He's a natural leader and as a result, people rally behind him. And he makes things happen. If he can ever learn to throw (and that's not impossible) he could be around for a long time as a very serviceable QB. If he doesn't though, he's done in a year or two.


More or less the same here. He clearly gets the team motivated and believing in themselves, and that's not an easy thing to measure. His success thus far has been a product of that, plus some fortuitous circumstance, and stronger O-line and Defensive play. Nothing miraculous, but certainly surprising.

I expect reality to hit next week against New England. As much as that team doesn't talk about it, they use a lot of mental motivational tricks. The Pats like to feel like they've been slighted going into a game, and those're often the ones where they'll hang 56 points on the board and keep Brady chucking it long into garbage time. The chance to put a beatdown on the Chosen One will get that team fired up.

Me, I'm just happy my Texans got a win. I don't like our odds at Baltimore, who's equipped to stop our run and force T.J. to make a play Smiley: eek
#11 Jan 09 2012 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
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Assassin Spoonless wrote:
That playoff win probably screwed DEN for next season. Now they pretty much have to build the system around Tebow as the starter. They would have been better off long-term if he fell on his face.

So they could build their system around Brady Quinn instead? Smiley: rolleyes

When the Broncos beat the Bears, a friend of mine who I was watching the game with contested that the Broncos should be penalized for too many men on the field every time their offense comes out since Tebow has God on his side.
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#12 Jan 09 2012 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
I picked option 3.

Hubby and I were talking about Tebow after the game and we both agreed how funny it will be once he displays some real human behavior (caught with a hooker, DUI, something like that) and those people that think he's the Golden Child will leave in droves.
Most Broncos fans I know are just happy when he's winning games. Now, if he went to another team, that'd be a different matter.

I didn't really mean football fans. He's got a lot of Christian fans that have never watched a football game in their life. I know 2 people that think he's the bees knees, but couldn't tell you any other football player if you held a gun to their head.
#13 Jan 09 2012 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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Me, I'm just happy my Texans got a win. I don't like our odds at Baltimore, who's equipped to stop our run and force T.J. to make a play Smiley: eek
I'm not really sure any team, anywhere, in any era, is equiped to stop that run game. Slow it down maybe, but that's about it.
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#14 Jan 09 2012 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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So they could build their system around Brady Quinn instead? Smiley: rolleyes
Obviously they'd have to draft someone. I didn't say anything about Quinn. But really, it hampers them to have to build a system around Tebow with his skillset. Once they have it set up, what if he gets injured? You're not likely going to have a QB who is going to be able to step in and run the same system. I just don't see Tebow sticking around as a starting QB in the league for very long without a serious overhaul of his throwing ability/mechanics.

Though I guess Byron Leftwich was a decent passer with similar arm action, so what do I know?

Edited, Jan 9th 2012 2:48pm by Spoonless
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I have been drinking but I don't know **** about footbaal and I don't care either, is that still good?
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Me, I'm just happy my Texans got a win. I don't like our odds at Baltimore, who's equipped to stop our run and force T.J. to make a play Smiley: eek
I'm not really sure any team, anywhere, in any era, is equiped to stop that run game. Slow it down maybe, but that's about it.


http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=311016033

Smiley: um


Though I do essentially agree with you, as I'm not exactly expecting a repeat of that game. It's just that they can slow it down that I'm concerned with. We need a bad game from Flacco to win. Defense needs to hit him early and often. That's assuming that we can limit Rice, which I think is doable.

All things considered, I'm happy with our odds. It's a winnable game, which isn't something I'd have thought I'd be able to say after our best defensive player and quarterback were lost.

Edited, Jan 9th 2012 3:06pm by Eske
#18 Jan 09 2012 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
I have been drinking but I don't know sh*t about footbaal and I don't care either, is that still good?


Yes. I went out of my way to make a poll choice specifically for your drunken ***.

You're welcome. Smiley: oyvey

Edited, Jan 9th 2012 12:24pm by someproteinguy
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#19 Jan 09 2012 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
Apparently some fans go to great lengths to get his attention.

In general, I'ld be more inclined to think that someone who is that devoted to his religion won't find that much more confidence for his performances. It'ld be more frickle I'ld say, what if he loses next week, perhaps he'll lose his confidence faster than a non-believer.
#20 Jan 09 2012 at 2:43 PM Rating: Default
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someproteinguy wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
I have been drinking but I don't know sh*t about footbaal and I don't care either, is that still good?


Yes. I went out of my way to make a poll choice specifically for your drunken ***.

You're welcome. Smiley: oyvey

Edited, Jan 9th 2012 12:24pm by someproteinguy
And I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurv you for that. Yes, I intentionally tupesd luuuuuuuuuuuuurv cause love just isn't qwuite the drunk way of daying love. yeknow?
Anyway. You're cool. Also, did toyu have that Guinness and cereal breakfast yet?
#21 Jan 09 2012 at 2:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Has not. Smiley: frown

The Mrs. thinks the money should be spent on food and children instead of beer.

I'm told I agree.
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Assassin Spoonless wrote:
But really, it hampers them to have to build a system around Tebow with his skillset. Once they have it set up, what if he gets injured? You're not likely going to have a QB who is going to be able to step in and run the same system.


More or less this x2. He's basically a running back who can throw slightly better (ok, a fair amount better) than most running backs. To use him effectively the entire system has to be built around option plays designed to force defenses to choose between run/pass (in some cases, with no right answer). He isn't skilled enough to do timing routes, precision fades, or any of the other stock stuff a good quarterback is expected to do in the NFL. He basically has to use his running ability to scare the d-line into containment instead of going for the sack, the secondary into second guessing whether to cover a receiver or a break out run, and the safety's into whether to cover deep or short. He's got a good enough arm to hit a receiver that is wide freaking open (by NFL standards), and if he's able to use the tricks to make that happen, he has significant success.


The problem is that once he gets injured a system built around him will collapse. And let's face it. Running backs get injured every season. That's why most teams have 3-4 of them on the roster. But unless Denver basically commits to hiring a couple of running backs and teaching them to play the quarterback position as back up to Tebow, he's going to run out of steam at some point and then they're screwed.


I also noticed something when the Patriots played Denver last time. They used a different approach than Pittsburgh tried yesterday. Instead of loading the box and focusing on the run, they'd just send one extra guy in with a rush, but keep him on the periphery. He'd just float around and pay attention to the pocket. Normally, with a 3 or 4 man rush, you'll get a hole that opens up on one side of the pocket. This is what QBs step into to throw usually, but Tebow uses it to create a second option run/pass (which is what screws up defenses). The Patriots kept a line backer out of the fray and when that hole opened up, he'd wait for Tebow to step into it and then hit him. It seemed to work pretty well, and I'm surprised that Pittsburgh didn't do the same thing. It pretty much stopped him cold and got him sacked a lot of times in that game.


I expect more of the same next week.
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Assassin Spoonless wrote:
Demea wrote:
So they could build their system around Brady Quinn instead? Smiley: rolleyes
Obviously they'd have to draft someone. I didn't say anything about Quinn. But really, it hampers them to have to build a system around Tebow with his skillset. Once they have it set up, what if he gets injured? You're not likely going to have a QB who is going to be able to step in and run the same system. I just don't see Tebow sticking around as a starting QB in the league for very long without a serious overhaul of his throwing ability/mechanics.

Though I guess Byron Leftwich was a decent passer with similar arm action, so what do I know?

Seeing as they won their division, they can't expect to get a starter-ready QBs in this year's draft, so either way they have to plan for a Tebow-led squad next year anyways.

If he can consistently pass like he did last night while improving his accuracy, he's going to be fine. If I were a Broncos fan, I'd be much more worried about the motley crew they've assembled at the receiver spot (and the fact that none of them can stay healthy).
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If he can consistently pass like he did last night while improving his accuracy, he's going to be fine. If I were a Broncos fan, I'd be much more worried about the motley crew they've assembled at the receiver spot (and the fact that none of them can stay healthy).
A big plus from the game against PIT was that his receivers were actually hanging onto the football. Tebow isn't the most accurate passer by any stretch, but his receivers have dropped an inordinate number of very catchable passes this season.
#26 Jan 09 2012 at 3:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Watched the entire game, was worth seeing.

I was working at UF during Tebow's last year here. He was the best QB in college football... but it was ALL based on his running game. He could rush for yards consistently. But in the NFL, that's usually not enough. He could get injured, but even more than that it's just harder to get yards and touchdowns by running. The defense is too good.

He's a great leader, and he strikes me as a fine guy. But the Patriots will crush the Broncos -again- when they next play. I'd take Brady over Tebow any day.
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