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Don't think they have Miranda rights (or similar of course) in the UK either. Or was that just France? My understanding is that most of Europe doesn't provide the same rights to those accused or suspected of a crime as we do in the US. Was that actually a serious question? Guess I should stop working and run directly to that other thread then!

The UK has a right to silence, yes. As well as due process, an attorney, jury by peers, against cruel and unusual punishment, against unlawful search and seizure without evidence, etc.

They also have the Right to Education, which we lack--it falls to the parents to provide for a child's education. If a child gets kicked out, then it's on the parent to get them education. And the laws guaranteeing education for special needs children are far from awesome in the US. We also have failed to provide easy access to higher education, especially with regards to minority groups.

They have the Right of Gender Recognition, which we lack. Transsexual peoples are able to amend their birth certificates and marry the opposite gender (which won't matter soon, since they are quickly moving towards allowing for same-sex marriages). It is also important to note that the UK doesn't demand that your sexual organs match your legal gender.

There's also the Right to Housing, which we lack completely. This is the hardest for them to enforce, but it does give legal recourse to people who find themselves homeless, especially if they are a priority candidate.

The right to bear arms is looked upon as a curse, not a freedom by most western nations.

Edited, Nov 4th 2011 11:00pm by Uglysasquatch

Idiggory, you just don't get it. The only thing that matters here is how the UK taxes people more and that's all sorts of wrong and especially when that money gets spent on horrible things like keeping the people living in the UK healthy, educated and not homeless.

This.

So basically, your whole definition of freedom rests solely on appropriation of funds from taxes? I thought you said it wasn't about money, gbaji?


edit: Firearms. Unless what you're getting at is we can't use guns where there are likely to be a shitload of other people. Seems like the right law, to me.

Edited, Nov 5th 2011 8:52am by Nilatai

Why edit when you can just +1? Edits are only acceptable when you have inadvertently made yourself look foolish.

Mmm, pulled pork.

Chilli, slow cooked chilli is awesome.

Go for the ravioli, the only use for chick peas is hummus.

Excellent, be sure to add basil.

So long as you say it right!

I don't have a garden (or a yard, lol), so my basil plant was protected by the walls of my apartment. :P But I don't have enough room for too many plants, so I only have one. Depending on what I'm making, I'll use various combinations of dried/fresh.