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#52 Oct 26 2011 at 5:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe he voted for the healthcare bill because he's a decent human being?

Making out that he voted for it specifically so people could get free abortions would still count as libel. Smiley: schooled
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#53 Oct 26 2011 at 5:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe he voted for the healthcare bill because he's a decent human being?


And if he believes that this requires him to cross the anti-abortion groups, then he should be prepared for them to oppose him in the next election exactly as they warned they would do if he voted for that bill. He made a choice. I'm not here to argue about which choice was the right one, but it seems incredibly childish for him to sue over this.

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Making out that he voted for it specifically so people could get free abortions would still count as libel. Smiley: schooled


The signs don't speak to motive at all. They just say what he voted for. He did vote for the bill, so it's not a false statement about his voting record. And it's certainly something they believe, so it doesn't meet the "knowingly false" requirement. And I think it's a hell of a stretch to say that the claim has "reckless abandon" of the consequences of the claim. They knew exactly what their claims would do. If one argues that making such a claim with the intent of preventing a politician from winning an election is a suable offense, then we've really just shot down the entire concept of free political speech.


Which is what's so alarming that this case wasn't just tossed out right of the bat. The claim only has standing if you're interpreting the law in such a way that effectively allows for the infringement of nearly any political speech on any controversial topic. Those topics are usually controversial exactly because people don't agree on the results. Can you imagine what would happen if every conservative politician sued every time some liberal group put up a political ad saying that his policies would hurt education, or make poor people suffer, or cost jobs, or lives, or any of the dozens of opinion based claims leveled at conservative politicians every single day in our political landscape?


Those claims are no more or less substantiated than the claims made by this group. Heck, it can easily be argued that this groups claims are much more substantiated than many leveled against conservative politicians. I don't recall any of them suing for those things though. Do you?

And to be fair, this is less about conservative versus liberal and more about childish, but I can't help but assume that said judge did rule as he did because of his own political views on the subject. It's a pretty clear conflict of interest in this case, and the ruling is ridiculous no matter what you think about the issue of abortion.
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#54 Oct 26 2011 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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Eh, I see your point I suppose.
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#55 Oct 28 2011 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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The only thing worthwhile in this thread so far is the little nugget of info that helped to verify that Nilati is fucked in the head. Who refrigerates peanut butter?
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#56 Oct 28 2011 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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The only thing worthwhile in this thread so far is the little nugget of info that helped to verify that Nilati is fucked in the head. Who refrigerates peanut butter?

I do. That is until I want to use it. Then I leave it out for about an hour to soften.
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#57 Oct 28 2011 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
The only thing worthwhile in this thread so far is the little nugget of info that helped to verify that Nilati is fucked in the head. Who refrigerates peanut butter?
He's British, what did you need the verification for? Smiley: grin
#58 Oct 28 2011 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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The all natural types of PB usually need refrigeration, and even the Skippys and Jiffs will taste better longer if refrigerated.

Know what's crazy?..I've heard Canadians keep their milk in a bag.
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#59 Oct 28 2011 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Know what's crazy?..I've heard Canadians keep their milk in a bag.

This.

And peanut butter doesn't last long enough around here to go bad.
#60 Oct 28 2011 at 1:29 PM Rating: Default
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It is true, but we also have cartons and jugs in certain areas (Alberta uses Plastic Jugs, Ontario uses plastic bags for example). And ditto on the duration of PB I eat that stuff like it is going out of style...(although I just read somethin about an upcoming Peanut cost increase here. So I may have to stock up).
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#61 Oct 28 2011 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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Know what's crazy?..I've heard Canadians keep their milk in a bag.
That's where it comes from in the first place, why wouldn't you keep it there?

Few people actually buy the bagged milk, most use cartons/plastic containers.
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#62 Oct 28 2011 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Few people actually buy the bagged milk, most use cartons/plastic containers.


I like the bagged milk, if I don`t buy that, I can`t use my milk bag jug.
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#63 Oct 29 2011 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
I was disappointed that a friend had a special pitcher just to keep the bag of milk inside so it was pourable.
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