I actually don't think we are arguing over the same thing. Your data shows that over a small fraction of our history (and thus an even smaller fraction of the worlds history) that humans are responsible for increases in temperature. I agree simply looking at that data and using it to extrapolate an opinion obviously shows that we have caused a significant spike. Over that small set of years of recorded information.
However I personally feel on the grand scheme of things that we have had very little impact, even the EPA link I provided above shows this, there has been a 1 degree variance in temperature since 900 AD, with the hottest points being only .5 degrees different. That isn't even relevant for a conclusive argument because it shows only a slightly larger fraction of the time.
Where I do agree, and I do not think anyone can disagree is that we have contributed greatly to polluting this planet. In the top most chart of that link you can see that in the more modern era that we have drastically increased our CO2 levels, I don't think anyone can dispute that we have also greatly polluted our land and water to similar levels.
But I do not agree at all that we have contributed in a robust way to the warming or cooling of this planet, and unfortunately there is no data that conclusively proves we have, or have not. I don't think we have, and until there is a 100% undeniable study completed that supports this assumption I will continue to believe this.
You can go ahead and lump me with Alma and Varus I personally don't give a sh*t, Ive read plenty of discussions on this particular thing, and I have seen both sides well represented, but when it comes down to it in the case specifically regarding global warming there is just not enough evidence to conclusively crown a completely right or wrong.
and I have seen and read many of your posts/links on this subject, as I personally find this subject very interesting and informative, not only because it is a current event, but more so because we continue looking further and further back, and I think it is awesome that we can recreate a somewhat accurate image of the past. Unfortunately I need more then a few 100,000 year old ice samples to jump on board with an idea that we as humans have altered a system that has been operating for billions of years.
Like I said ill agree to disagree.
(but I will happily keep +1ing if folks want to keep bashing my opinion without providing any information that is conclusive regarding changes to the global warming/cooling cycle, that our species has never really experienced.)
Edited, Oct 24th 2011 11:54pm by rdmcandie
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