http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph
These charts beautifully outline our current state of gross inequality pretty effectively.
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What are those graphs supposed to inspire? More class envy? The bottom line is that companies exist to make a profit not provide jobs, rich people either worked harder, had a better idea, were smarter, were luckier than you, or had parents who wanted to them to have money and you didn't.
The federal government in the United States has over-stepped its authority and one side uses hand-outs to buy their voting block while the other uses tax breaks & loopholes to buy theirs.
In either case, the only answer that will allow this country to prosper in to the future is for the federal government to step back from its nanny state tendencies and leave most of the things it tries to do today to the states.
The federal government in the United States has over-stepped its authority and one side uses hand-outs to buy their voting block while the other uses tax breaks & loopholes to buy theirs.
In either case, the only answer that will allow this country to prosper in to the future is for the federal government to step back from its nanny state tendencies and leave most of the things it tries to do today to the states.
MoebiusLord wrote:
rich people either worked harder, had a better idea, were smarter, were luckier than you, or had parents who wanted to them to have money and you didn't.
Your lack of imagination, historical knowledge and social science is breathtaking. You are leaving out 80-90% of the reasons one particular person or group of persons might be rich, or poor.
Aripyanfar wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
rich people either worked harder, had a better idea, were smarter, were luckier than you, or had parents who wanted to them to have money and you didn't.
Your lack of imagination, historical knowledge and social science is breathtaking. You are leaving out 80-90% of the reasons one particular person or group of persons might be rich, or poor.
And your assumptions about my imagination and knowledge could choke the horse that likes to choke you.
Dazzle me then, princess. Give me the other 20 that I missed (on the low end) or didn't deem worthy of inclusion.
Better yet, instead of focusing on something unimportant and trying to re-direct the conversation, add something relevant, you insipid c'unt.
MoebiusLord wrote:
What are those graphs supposed to inspire? More class envy?
Discussion. Beyond that, not class envy, no, but class consciousness.
MoebiusLord wrote:
The bottom line is that companies exist to make a profit not provide jobs, rich people either worked harder, had a better idea, were smarter, were luckier than you, or had parents who wanted to them to have money and you didn't.
Is that the bottom line or the myth and ideology that we have been led to believe?
I would argue that the bottom line is the Earth has a carrying capacity and all the stuff and experiences we desire have not just a monetary cost, but a social cost, and environmental costs as well.
Beyond that bottom line, I would also argue that these graphs actually don't demonstrate that those who have expropriated more wealth from the commons have been justified in doing so. Being adept at exploiting a flawed system or even merely just happening to benefit from it is no justification for actions which undermine the survival of our species.
MoebiusLord wrote:
The federal government in the United States has over-stepped its authority and one side uses hand-outs to buy their voting block while the other uses tax breaks & loopholes to buy theirs.
In either case, the only answer that will allow this country to prosper in to the future is for the federal government to step back from its nanny state tendencies and leave most of the things it tries to do today to the states.
Our political systems are flawed. Period. Tinkering with them isn't going to fix the very real problems confronting our species.
MoebiusLord wrote:
What are those graphs supposed to inspire?
Maybe something similar to your "luxuries the poor have" was meant to?
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Olorinus wrote:
Is that the bottom line or the myth and ideology that we have been led to believe?
That's the sort of line a disaffected douchebag hipster sitting in a college town coffee shop would use. If you're not better than that we can end here.
Olorinus wrote:
I would argue that the bottom line is the Earth has a carrying capacity and all the stuff and experiences we desire have not just a monetary cost, but a social cost, and environmental costs as well.
And I would argue that the only problem this planet has is bleeding hearts like you that think equality of outcome is the right of the people. The planet will sort herself out. Nothing we can do will break her, and the population will be adjusted accordingly.
Olorinus wrote:
Beyond that bottom line, I would also argue that these graphs actually don't demonstrate that those who have expropriated more wealth from the commons have been justified in doing so. Being adept at exploiting a flawed system or even merely just happening to benefit from it is no justification for actions which undermine the survival of our species.
Oh, well, crap. Turns out your not better than that guy in the coffee shop. Sorry, you have no ideas worth discussing further. I now dismiss you for the ignorant c'unt you are.
TirithRR wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
What are those graphs supposed to inspire?
Maybe something similar to your "luxuries the poor have" was meant to?
One points out that people getting a free ride have enough money to pay for things that aren't needs and another points out that there are some really successful people in the world.
Maybe you're a jedi playing a mind trick, or something. I fail to see the relation.
Stoves, Ovens, Refrigerators, Microwaves (cheaper to operate than a stove/oven), a Vehicle, a Phone... These are all items which are not necessary? I mean, ****... while we are at it, how many supposedly "poor" people have electricity and running water?
You notice how all the sh*t on that list that is a high percentage (and even some low) is a necessity or something that comes furnished in a rented place to live? You don't see how that link, and this link, are serving similar purposes on opposite ends of the debate?
One's about the rich, one's about the poor. Obviously they can't have any similarities...
Edited, Sep 22nd 2011 11:37pm by TirithRR
You notice how all the sh*t on that list that is a high percentage (and even some low) is a necessity or something that comes furnished in a rented place to live? You don't see how that link, and this link, are serving similar purposes on opposite ends of the debate?
One's about the rich, one's about the poor. Obviously they can't have any similarities...
Edited, Sep 22nd 2011 11:37pm by TirithRR
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Aripyanfar wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
rich people either worked harder, had a better idea, were smarter, were luckier than you, or had parents who wanted to them to have money and you didn't.
Your lack of imagination, historical knowledge and social science is breathtaking. You are leaving out 80-90% of the reasons one particular person or group of persons might be rich, or poor.
You're not even from this country.
**** off back down under, hippy.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Moeb wrote:
Nothing we can do will break her
Yet.
Just as Planned.
If we look at history, it was just about these conditions that spawned the French Revolution, wasn't it? All we need is a food crisis. (Have you seen how much apples crept up over the summer? They doubled at my local Publix.)
I don't think we're going to be seeing nobles beheaded on the White House lawn anytime soon, but the way the Tea Party is egging everyone on...
I don't think we're going to be seeing nobles beheaded on the White House lawn anytime soon, but the way the Tea Party is egging everyone on...
catwho wrote:
If we look at history, it was just about these conditions that spawned the French Revolution, wasn't it? All we need is a food crisis.
So that's why the hippies are making us turn food in to fuel and plastics.
MoebiusLord wrote:
catwho wrote:
If we look at history, it was just about these conditions that spawned the French Revolution, wasn't it? All we need is a food crisis.
So that's why the hippies are making us turn food in to fuel and plastics.
What, you actually want to *eat* soybeans? What kind of tofu-eating hippie scum are you?
Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 8:43am by Debalic
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
So Bill Gates has his own square? Big deal.
I'm personally in the bottom 90% of that graph, and I don't feel all that oppressed or exploited.
I'm personally in the bottom 90% of that graph, and I don't feel all that oppressed or exploited.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
MoebiusLord wrote:
catwho wrote:
If we look at history, it was just about these conditions that spawned the French Revolution, wasn't it? All we need is a food crisis.
So that's why the hippies are making us turn food in to fuel and plastics.
Follow the money trail sweetie and I think you'll find Monsanto and their lobbyists were largely responsible for the the ethanol-in-fuel legislation.
Not sure they fit into the 'hippy' category.
Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 5:03pm by Elinda
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
catwho wrote:
If we look at history, it was just about these conditions that spawned the French Revolution, wasn't it? All we need is a food crisis.
So that's why the hippies are making us turn food in to fuel and plastics.
Follow the money trail sweetie and I think you'll find Monsanto and their lobbyists were largely responsible for the the ethanol-in-fuel legislation.
Not sure they fit into the 'hibby' category.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Beating striking workers, polluting public resources and fostering banana republics to create and bolster industrial fortunes. I do suppose that's hard work.
Living off of that legacy must be pretty sweet, though.
Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 9:02am by Sweetums
Living off of that legacy must be pretty sweet, though.
Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 9:02am by Sweetums
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Is that an assumption or have you seen the money trail?
The farm lobby is the primary reason why we're stuck in the dead-end of corn-based ethanol versus importing cane sugar-based ethanol from Brazil or putting all that subsidy money towards alternate biofuel research. Which isn't really a straight left-or-right thing; you have senators on both sides of the aisle from agricultural states terrified of the farm lobby.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
catwho wrote:
If we look at history, it was just about these conditions that spawned the French Revolution, wasn't it? All we need is a food crisis.
So that's why the hippies are making us turn food in to fuel and plastics.
Follow the money trail sweetie and I think you'll find Monsanto and their lobbyists were largely responsible for the the ethanol-in-fuel legislation.
Not sure they fit into the 'hibby' category.
Factually I guess I'd modify the statement to read, "it was the corn lobbyists, not Green Peace et al, that pushed for mandatory ethanol in fuel".
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Jophiel wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Is that an assumption or have you seen the money trail?
The farm lobby is the primary reason why we're stuck in the dead-end of corn-based ethanol versus importing cane sugar-based ethanol from Brazil or putting all that subsidy money towards alternate biofuel research. Which isn't really a straight left-or-right thing; you have senators on both sides of the aisle from agricultural states terrified of the farm lobby.
You're thinking of Nigeria.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I thought that's where everyone had their rightfully owned fortune stolen from them. A fortune that only I can help them get back, with a nice reward to boot!
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Sucks for you if their farmers are contacting you. Their Prince keeps emailing me.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Sucks for you if their farmers are contacting you. Their Prince keeps emailing me.
I'm the Queen of Nigeria...if I'd just contact that lawyer in the email.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
If you could save a Nigerian prince or a Nigerian prince-weight of embezzled oil funds...
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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