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#2277 Jan 31 2012 at 11:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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By the way, anyone actually take that training or is in the service atm? Would be kind of cool to hear that perspective.



Late to the date but FWIW; that DoD/Congressional study that came about a bit ago showing some 70-75% of the active armed forces, along with a whole fuck-ton of military brass confirmed my long time suspicion that the civilian bosses (congress/American public) had much more of an issue with ****'s than the military itself did.

Throughout the 1990's it was just a wedge issue that was mostly over-embellished by the various news outlets. Who knew controversy, manufactured or not, would sell so well?

In my various squadrons we all knew who the ****'s were and most of us just flat-out didn't care. Most of us have more important shit to worry about.

Then again this might have been an abrupt shift in military culture; considering the average age of a military unit is in the neighborhood of 19 that makes Millennials the bulk of the military force and study after study shows Millennials are much more tolerant of not only homos but also interracial relationships; often by double digits from their Gen-X or Boomer counterparts.

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#2278 Jan 31 2012 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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There are simply different types of touch manners in different socio-economic groups. City people are more inclined to touch than country people as a nat-always-right generalisation. While Mediterranean and Middle-Easterner males are perhaps most famous for it, my own experience of groups of het males who were comfortable touching other het males for things like massages, casual hugs, and kisses hello and goodbye include:

A very large clan of Australian Catholics of distant Austrian descent, mixed country and city dwellers.
A family of Australian Anglicans of recent Sri-Lankan descent, living in a small regional city of 60k people.
An Aussie Jewish magistrate.
An Aussie Peruvian child-psychologist. Actually she was female, and doesn't count. Except she also massaged women friends and kissed them hello and goodbye.
A 1/16th Australian Aborigine who grew up "white" in another small regional city, ran away in his young teens, did his Walkabout and initiation ceremony with other Aborigines and then later rejoined mainstream whitefella culture to go to uni. He was NOT into the citified European double-kiss hello and goodbye, but he was big on massaging blokes he thought were tense and needed it.
#2279 Jan 31 2012 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
Now, now, NW. The virgin, non-combat officer surely knows more than your statistics and anecdotal experience.
#2280Almalieque, Posted: Feb 04 2012 at 7:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I was merely demonstrating how equally effective it was for me to say the same thing to him. If you need help connecting the dots, that concludes that his claim either has no substance or that he's no different than me.
#2281 Feb 04 2012 at 9:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Except that no one feels that way about Ari, and everyone feels that way about you. So while her words had a ring of truth, yours just have the mild reek of sad desperation.

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#2282 Feb 04 2012 at 9:31 AM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
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Depending on what you are defining.. There's a Soldier that I work with that I would bet plays for the wrong team and he's not being open about anything.
How much would you bet?


Don't know.. I walked pass him googly eying some half naked stereotypical gay looking dude in the computer lab. When his boss (as a gay joke) sat on his lap, he didn't even react.. just sat there and continued to talk as if it were normal..

I could be wrong, but if I had to guess, I would say that he has sugar in his tank.

You could be wrong?

Yet, you're willing to formulate your opinions based on a mere speculation that admittedly might be wrong?

I'd call this ignorance.


Did you even think before writing that? Seriously, you sound beyond foolish.

If I had based my assumption on his feminine behavior, then you would have a point as I've met several straight feminine guys before, but I didn't. However, when you add the fact of him googling half naked stereotypical gay men and his reaction to another man sitting on his lap, it is fair to make that assumption.

The bottom line is that you're either gay (bi/trans/etc/) or straight. Without knowing one's sexuality, you can only assume based on the individual's actions and his actions were leading on the homosexual side. The fact that I'm not declaring his sexuality is proof of me thinking objectively. I'm not treating him any differently, I'm not telling others that he's a homosexual, it's just a mere perception.

So, what is your counter argument? You believe it's wrong to make an assessment on an unidentified person's sexuality?
#2283 Feb 04 2012 at 9:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
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Aripyanfar, you're not a tool. You are simply a blind, self-satisfied, stupid, naive, unimaginative, bigoted hypocrite living an unexamined life to the detriment of his fellow persons. Your faith and your religion, if you have one, isn't overall making you a better person, (like some people I know) it's making you a worse one.

Your fears overwhelm your logic, your common sense and your beliefs. I'm glad I don't live with you, work with you, and I really hope you don't vote. Thankfully you are not in my electorate.

Told you you were unimaginative. Smiley: laugh


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It's pretty sad he didn't even try to change a few words.



I was merely demonstrating how equally effective it was for me to say the same thing to him. If you need help connecting the dots, that concludes that his claim either has no substance or that he's no different than me.

Ari is a girl, idiot.
#2284 Feb 04 2012 at 9:50 AM Rating: Default
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It was a joke? They were trying to make me uncofrtable? They were hitting on me? I don't know, I never asked as I didn't care.


Well, if you can't recall the situation, then you can't make a comparison.
I never said I can't recall, did I? I said I never cared. I never asked why they were sitting on me, I simply ignored them. The point I was making, which you seem to have missed, is that not all people are affected in a homophobic way when someone of the same sex sits on them, so using it as a basis of declaring someone to be a homosexual is stupid.



I understood your point exactly. I was just pointing out how stupid it is.

You not caring has absolutely nothing to do with you not knowing their motives. Contrary to your misguided belief, grown adults sitting on each others' laps is not a customary greeting for the U.S. It's perfectly "normal" in other cultures for same sex heterosexual friends to hold hands, kiss and be very close. However, the U.S. is not one of those cultures. We are a "arms length away"/independent type of culture.

If an adult sits on another adults lap in the U.S., it's not a customary greeting but typically falls under "affection/sexual and/or some form of a joke". The only other alternative that I can think of is that your friends are "so close" that sitting on each laps is something that you all just do. So, unless you all do that to everyone, that would fall under the "affection" category.

Furthermore, homophobic? Really? You all's favorite clutch. HTF is that homophobic? Where does it end? "Oh, just because he sat in your lap and held your hand doesn't make him gay". "Oh, just because he sat in your lap, held your hand and stuck his tongue in your mouth, that doesn't make him gay". "Oh, just because he rode you like a pony, that doesn't make him gay". The moment an individual does something out of the customary actions of a culture, it is fair game.

Don't even waste your time trying to argue that we just sit on each others' laps as daily conversation. So, if you don't know their motive behind sitting on your lap, then you can't compare the scenarios. Rather you actually cared or not is completely irrelevant. I bet if your girl friend/wife/mom/daughter sat on some random new male friend's lap of yours, you would be able to state their intent.
#2285 Feb 04 2012 at 9:54 AM Rating: Default
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Except that no one feels that way about Ari, and everyone active members of Allakhazam, feels that way about you.



FTFY

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So while her words had a ring of truth, yours just have the mild reek of sad desperation.


You mean hypothetically if there were substance. Same applies to me as well. What's your point?
#2286 Feb 04 2012 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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Except that no one feels that way about Ari, and everyone active members of Allakhazam, feels that way about you.



No, she wrote it correctly the first time. Try to keep up.
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ITT: Almalieque can't remember if I'm female, or gay.
#2288 Feb 04 2012 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
ITT: Almalieque can't remember if I'm female, or gay.



Or both! You could be both.

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#2289 Feb 04 2012 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
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It was a joke? They were trying to make me uncofrtable? They were hitting on me? I don't know, I never asked as I didn't care.


Well, if you can't recall the situation, then you can't make a comparison.
I never said I can't recall, did I? I said I never cared. I never asked why they were sitting on me, I simply ignored them. The point I was making, which you seem to have missed, is that not all people are affected in a homophobic way when someone of the same sex sits on them, so using it as a basis of declaring someone to be a homosexual is stupid.



I understood your point exactly. I was just pointing out how stupid it is.

You not caring has absolutely nothing to do with you not knowing their motives. Contrary to your misguided belief, grown adults sitting on each others' laps is not a customary greeting for the U.S. It's perfectly "normal" in other cultures for same sex heterosexual friends to hold hands, kiss and be very close. However, the U.S. is not one of those cultures. We are a "arms length away"/independent type of culture.

If an adult sits on another adults lap in the U.S., it's not a customary greeting but typically falls under "affection/sexual and/or some form of a joke". The only other alternative that I can think of is that your friends are "so close" that sitting on each laps is something that you all just do. So, unless you all do that to everyone, that would fall under the "affection" category.

Uglysasquatch is a Canadian, idiot. Do try and keep up.
#2290 Feb 04 2012 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
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Almalieque wrote:
Ugly wrote:
It was a joke? They were trying to make me uncofrtable? They were hitting on me? I don't know, I never asked as I didn't care.


Well, if you can't recall the situation, then you can't make a comparison.
I never said I can't recall, did I? I said I never cared. I never asked why they were sitting on me, I simply ignored them. The point I was making, which you seem to have missed, is that not all people are affected in a homophobic way when someone of the same sex sits on them, so using it as a basis of declaring someone to be a homosexual is stupid.



I understood your point exactly. I was just pointing out how stupid it is.

You not caring has absolutely nothing to do with you not knowing their motives. Contrary to your misguided belief, grown adults sitting on each others' laps is not a customary greeting for the U.S. It's perfectly "normal" in other cultures for same sex heterosexual friends to hold hands, kiss and be very close. However, the U.S. is not one of those cultures. We are a "arms length away"/independent type of culture.

If an adult sits on another adults lap in the U.S., it's not a customary greeting but typically falls under "affection/sexual and/or some form of a joke". The only other alternative that I can think of is that your friends are "so close" that sitting on each laps is something that you all just do. So, unless you all do that to everyone, that would fall under the "affection" category.

Uglysasquatch is a Canadian, idiot. Do try and keep up.

Which means he's sitting on a moose lap.
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If Ugly sits on a moose lap in an igloo, does that mean he's gay? Or just cold?

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#2292 Feb 04 2012 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think it counts unless he slits the moose open and shelters for the night in its steaming bowels.

Also, I am kinda both, but it's more fun to pretend that I'm not.
#2293 Feb 04 2012 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're both a moose and an igloo? Warm and cold shelter for Ugly? Aww.
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#2294 Feb 04 2012 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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I want to be his furry but he's so devoted to his partner he gives me the cold shoulder.
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If Ugly sits on a moose lap in an igloo, does that mean he's gay? Or just cold?


It means he has polaroids.



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If Ugly sits on a moose lap in an igloo, does that mean he's gay? Or just cold?

It means he has polaroids.[:rimshot:]


I pictured a product called Moose Lap, that was a heated, inflatable donut to sit on.
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#2297 Feb 04 2012 at 2:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Better than Moosegloo, which was my product idea.
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Almalieque wrote:
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It was a joke? They were trying to make me uncofrtable? They were hitting on me? I don't know, I never asked as I didn't care.


Well, if you can't recall the situation, then you can't make a comparison.
I never said I can't recall, did I? I said I never cared. I never asked why they were sitting on me, I simply ignored them. The point I was making, which you seem to have missed, is that not all people are affected in a homophobic way when someone of the same sex sits on them, so using it as a basis of declaring someone to be a homosexual is stupid.



I understood your point exactly. I was just pointing out how stupid it is.

You not caring has absolutely nothing to do with you not knowing their motives. Contrary to your misguided belief, grown adults sitting on each others' laps is not a customary greeting for the U.S. It's perfectly "normal" in other cultures for same sex heterosexual friends to hold hands, kiss and be very close. However, the U.S. is not one of those cultures. We are a "arms length away"/independent type of culture.

If an adult sits on another adults lap in the U.S., it's not a customary greeting but typically falls under "affection/sexual and/or some form of a joke". The only other alternative that I can think of is that your friends are "so close" that sitting on each laps is something that you all just do. So, unless you all do that to everyone, that would fall under the "affection" category.

Furthermore, homophobic? Really? You all's favorite clutch. HTF is that homophobic? Where does it end? "Oh, just because he sat in your lap and held your hand doesn't make him gay". "Oh, just because he sat in your lap, held your hand and stuck his tongue in your mouth, that doesn't make him gay". "Oh, just because he rode you like a pony, that doesn't make him gay". The moment an individual does something out of the customary actions of a culture, it is fair game.

Don't even waste your time trying to argue that we just sit on each others' laps as daily conversation. So, if you don't know their motive behind sitting on your lap, then you can't compare the scenarios. Rather you actually cared or not is completely irrelevant. I bet if your girl friend/wife/mom/daughter sat on some random new male friend's lap of yours, you would be able to state their intent.
Wow. Tard.
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If Ugly sits on a moose lap in an igloo, does that mean he's gay? Or just cold?

It means I'm a wizard.
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Where's your wizard's hat and robes?
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Where's your wizard's hat and robes?


Have you ever tried to clean moose blood out of a wizard robe?

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