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#77 Aug 05 2011 at 5:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Should I have it while screaming and crying over Death To Freedom Mosques in New York? Ones that were just ABSOLUTELY rammed through the proper procedures because I just KNOW it has to be true? Smiley: laugh
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And we saw this play out as he attempted to negotiate with leaders in Pakistan

Bush's inept dealings with Pakistan were one of the greatest US foreign policy blunders in the last twenty years. Thank god Obama actually showed some balls with them and actually got results.

But hey, Bush gave them billions upon billions of dollars to help advance Iranian and N. Korean nuclear weapons programs and give over chunks of Pakistan to the Taliban in a move that would make even your caricature of Neville Chamberlain seems like tactical genius. So what a pity Obama took over dealing with them, huh?

That's not even counting the whole "Osama bin Laden? No, no.. never heard of him... must be somewhere else. Not here, though..." thing.

Edited, Aug 5th 2011 6:29pm by Jophiel
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#78 Aug 05 2011 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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If Hitler hadn't been around it would have been someone else, at about the same time. The economic and social climate created by the mistake that was the Treaty Of Versailles basically guaranteed it. When you completely ruin a country and punish it's people for the actions of its political and military leaders, you're creating the opportunity for someone like Hitler to take advantage of the public's general discontent and anger.


You can't possibly know this, though.



Well, what if he does Belkira, what if he does?
#79 Aug 05 2011 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Should I have it while screaming and crying over Death To Freedom Mosques in New York?


Not going to argue that issue Joph, but isn't that apples and oranges? We're talking about what our political leaders did and said immediately after 9/11. Bringing up something which happened many years later, and isn't being championed by any current elected political leaders (it certainly isn't a front and center political issue held by a party in power) just seems kinda irrelevant, right?


Let's examine what Bush and GOP leaders in Congress said about the WOT in the first couple years after 9/11 instead, ok? It's pretty much the opposite of what was said earlier.

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#80 Aug 05 2011 at 5:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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If Hitler hadn't been around it would have been someone else, at about the same time. The economic and social climate created by the mistake that was the Treaty Of Versailles basically guaranteed it. When you completely ruin a country and punish it's people for the actions of its political and military leaders, you're creating the opportunity for someone like Hitler to take advantage of the public's general discontent and anger.


You can't possibly know this, though.



Well, what if he does Belkira, what if he does?


Well... then... Uh...

His mom probably knows, too.
#81 Aug 05 2011 at 5:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Not going to argue that issue Joph, but isn't that apples and oranges?

No, not really. Prominent GOP figures were screaming and crying about it and accusing those wanting to build it off all manner of evil motives. If you want to cry about Democrats claiming that the GOP acts like this, maybe they shouldn't, you know, act like that.


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#82 Aug 05 2011 at 6:18 PM Rating: Decent
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After 9/11, most politicians, instead of making an effort to differentiate Muslim Terrorists from the general Muslim population, colluded actively or PASSIVELY to scapegoat the entire worldwide Muslim culture/population/religion.


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No, not really. Prominent GOP figures were screaming and crying about it and accusing those wanting to build it off all manner of evil motives.


One of these things has nothing to do with the other. How clearly do I need to spell this out?
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#83 Aug 05 2011 at 6:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, I know you're trying really hard to only look at a certain window (where you're just making up Democratic responses and motives) and praying we'll all just forget everything else. Understood.

It's a real pity that life doesn't let us just look at the tiny slivers we wish represented us while ignoring the whole reality.
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#84 Aug 05 2011 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Yeah, I know you're trying really hard to only look at a certain window (where you're just making up Republican responses and motives) and praying we'll all just forget everything else. Understood.



That pretty much describes what the left did for much of the Bush administration. I did kinda watch the peanut gallery here repeat every line of rhetoric while it happened Joph. It's a bit insulting for someone today to insist that it just didn't happen.
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#85 Aug 05 2011 at 7:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
That pretty much describes what the left did for much of the Bush administration. [...] It's a bit insulting for someone today to insist that it just didn't happen.

Gonna cry that no one takes your hyperpartisan "The LEFT did this!!" blather for truth?
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#86 Aug 05 2011 at 8:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
That pretty much describes what the left did for much of the Bush administration. [...] It's a bit insulting for someone today to insist that it just didn't happen.

Gonna cry that no one takes your hyperpartisan "The LEFT did this!!" blather for truth?


Nope. Just pointing out the utter falsehood of the claim that US political leaders could have chosen to make a distinction between Islamic terrorists and the general Muslim population and didn't. I could go dig up hundreds of speeches, public statements, and actions by our political leaders at the time in question to show this, but anyone who's already adopted the "Bush made the Muslim world hate us!" position isn't going to be swayed by facts anyway.
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#87 Aug 06 2011 at 12:01 AM Rating: Default
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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If Hitler hadn't been around it would have been someone else, at about the same time. The economic and social climate created by the mistake that was the Treaty Of Versailles basically guaranteed it. When you completely ruin a country and punish it's people for the actions of its political and military leaders, you're creating the opportunity for someone like Hitler to take advantage of the public's general discontent and anger.


You can't possibly know this, though.



No but its a pretty educated guess. It may not ave been Germany, but anyone of those little nations all running into the arms of fascism. But Id put my money on russia. It was a good thing Germany created that buffer in ww2.
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Fascists promote violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality. Fascists view conflict as a fact of life that is responsible for all human progress.
#89 Aug 06 2011 at 4:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
anyone who's already adopted the "Bush made the Muslim world hate us!" position isn't going to be swayed by facts anyway.

Since I never said that, I assume your little strawman is your sign of retreat. Gotcha.
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