Stop Hitler or bin Laden & 9/11?Follow

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I must be slightly dislexic because I thought lolgaxe was referencing Old Dirty *******. At any rate, I'd kill Hitler, because it's a damn shame a parent can't name their child Adolf in this day and age. Such a good German name that was.

I was also going to point out that von Braun wasn't a Jew, but then it's well known that I have no sense of humor anyways.

If you're going to take yourself out of the gene pool, that's a pretty impressive way.

I used my Time machine instead if thats ok, I even filmed mine!

Wait, I thought proof was some other user (nontwo?)? I actually kinda like this zunkfuk guy.

This is no excuse for not knowing about the most major causal events in the past and having a somewhat correct feel or understanding of the consequences. If you can't rate past catastrophes, and understand the event-chain, then you cannot evaluate present events with any sort of accuracy, and when presented with opportunities such as voting or taking a position in a lounge room chat, you will quite possibly participate in making the world a worse place instead of better.


As an example it it clear to me that the generalised prejudice against Jews led to scapegoating of the race. Politicians found it convenient to use a community predisposition to scapegoat Jews as an easy way to manipulate and find favour with the public. This political low-road activity made the Holocaust genocide possible.

After 9/11, most politicians, instead of making an effort to differentiate Muslim Terrorists from the general Muslim population, colluded actively or PASSIVELY to scapegoat the entire worldwide Muslim culture/population/religion. If the worldwide Muslim population was much smaller than it is, we would be well on the road to an eventual genocide of Muslims. A community whose population spans the gamut of good and bad people no more and no less than any other community. We'd be collectively thinking it's ok, even right and a duty, to kill a person for having Muslim beliefs. And that we were good people, and they were all automatically evil.

As it is, this easy, low-road scapegoating has put us on a road towards a Cold-War between Muslim and Non-Muslim dominated blocs. And has already tainted our Western Nations with unpleasant and immoral oppressive behaviour to our minority Muslim brethren.

Edited, Aug 5th 2011 5:52am by Aripyanfar

That and you were too much of a pussy to take the shot.

Take the shot!!

That's just what Kane wants you to say.

If Hitler hadn't been around it would have been someone else, at about the same time. The economic and social climate created by the mistake that was the Treaty Of Versailles basically guaranteed it. When you completely ruin a country and punish it's people for the actions of its political and military leaders, you're creating the opportunity for someone like Hitler to take advantage of the public's general discontent and anger.



You appear to know very very little about what you're talking about. Read some books. I can suggest a few if you don't know where to start.



Neither. Killing Hitler wouldn't change much, as stated above, someone else would have risen to the same point, and exteme anti-semitism was so rampant, that they likely would have had many of the same people working for them and many of the same beliefs and prejudices. Stopping 9/11 would just delay the inevitable. The US has made a lot of enemies in the last 50 years with their policy of trying to be the boss of the world. Someone else would have done something. Masybe it would have been a little smaller, or maybe much bigger. It's impossible to say.

Yeah, I disagree with the "someone else would have just done it" theories. People who become historical figures, do so because they possess unique capabilities for their time and place. Sure, you'd have pissed off Germans. Would someone have risen up with Hitler's charisma? His ability to create and inspire the Reich? His antisemitism, dreams of racial purity and ability to wield them as an effective weapon to rise to power? His audacity in dealing with other nations? Would they have created an alliance with Japan? Would that have forged a pact with Stalin over Poland? Would they have broken that pact?

There's been beaten down and oppressed people all through history. Most don't result in a guy lead a war that captures most of Europe.

Oh, is that a fact? Go ahead and enlighten me.

At the risk of spinning this in another direction, I saw the exact opposite happening. I saw US politicians go to enormous lengths to make clear that they were differentiating between Muslim terrorists and the general Muslim population, only to have their political enemies do everything they could to make it appear as though they were doing the opposite in order to build opposition to them for purely political reasons. I saw liberal pundits take every opportunity to portray the majority Republican Party government in broad anti-Islamic terms, playing on assumptions of Christian Fundamentalism and general bigotry.

To great effect, to be sure. It's one of several such fallacious accusations which helped Democrats take significant control of the US government in 2006 and again to greater degree in 2008. I suspect that the fallout of their demonization of the political right has yet to fully be realized though as it has created a sour perception of US interests in this regard. Something which the Democrats have had to deal with. You could almost see the shock on Obama's face over the course of his first year as President as he attempted to play the "I'm on your side, so let's be friends" game with leaders of predominantly Muslim countries only to find that they didn't like him anymore than the liked President Bush. It gradually dawned on him that they didn't make a distinction about him because of his party or skin color. And we saw this play out as he attempted to negotiate with leaders in Pakistan and Iran and got treated negatively for his efforts. Surprise!


Hoist on their own petard, so to speak.



I really think a lot of that whole thing was spin made with a lack of real foresight by people who were more interested in the politics of the moment than the longer view. But hey! You're free to have your own opinion, of course.