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#1 Aug 04 2011 at 8:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have a time machine and a mission for you. You may choose one of two tasks: Kill Hitler or Stop 9/11 and warn the government.

If you kill Hitler, you will be transported to the Battle of the Somme during World War I and use a sniper shot to kill Hitler before he can return to post WWI Germany and enter politics.

If you stop 9/11, you will be transported to an al'Qaeda training camp where Osama bin Laden was filmed greeting and meeting with several of the 9/11 hijackers prior to the event. You will use a grenade to kill them, then seize materials related to the plot to give to the US government, warning them of the details of the foiled attack.

Whichever mission you choose, you will be successful and unharmed. You can choose to take neither mission, but I won't send you anywhere else and, if you attempt to deviate from your goal, you'll be instantly returned to the present. Obviously, your mission will have significant impact on the present day although no one can say exactly what that will be.

Which mission do you choose?
Stop Hitler:30 (58.8%)
Stop Osama bin Laden:11 (21.6%)
Neither:10 (19.6%)
Total:51
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#2 Aug 04 2011 at 9:07 AM Rating: Excellent
I picked Hitler. 9/11 sucked donkey balls, but being able to save millions of lives versus a few thousand seems an easy choice to me.

And it might fix the Israel / Palestine conflict thingy.
#3 Aug 04 2011 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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Changing the past doesn't necessarily mean you'll change your present. You could split the timeline and still not change anything. Ignoring that, I chose to stop OBD, because fighting ***** made America awesome and all the efforts against OBD has been general detrimental, so ... eliminate the detrimental event.
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#4 Aug 04 2011 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Changing the past doesn't necessarily mean you'll change your present. You could split the timeline and still not change anything. Ignoring that, I chose to stop OBD, because fighting ***** made America awesome and all the efforts against OBD has been general detrimental, so ... eliminate the detrimental event.


But if you stop Hitler, forestall the Israel/Palestine conflict, which in turn will keep Muslims and Jews from hating each other as much as they do now, you may also end up preventing 9/11.
#5 Aug 04 2011 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Changing the past doesn't necessarily mean you'll change your present. You could split the timeline and still not change anything. Ignoring that, I chose to stop OBD, because fighting ***** made America awesome and all the efforts against OBD has been general detrimental, so ... eliminate the detrimental event.
But if you stop Hitler, forestall the Israel/Palestine conflict, which in turn will keep Muslims and Jews from hating each other as much as they do now, you may also end up preventing 9/11.
But then Captain America won't have a chance to punch Hitler.

Overall I've never been a fan of time travel stories. You either end up with split timelines and change nothing, time paradoxes where history ends up getting worse, or "fate" intervenes and instead of changing history for the better someone else takes the mantle to fill the void you created and history goes on the same.
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#6 Aug 04 2011 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
lolgaxe wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Changing the past doesn't necessarily mean you'll change your present. You could split the timeline and still not change anything. Ignoring that, I chose to stop OBD, because fighting ***** made America awesome and all the efforts against OBD has been general detrimental, so ... eliminate the detrimental event.
But if you stop Hitler, forestall the Israel/Palestine conflict, which in turn will keep Muslims and Jews from hating each other as much as they do now, you may also end up preventing 9/11.
But then Captain America won't have a chance to punch Hitler.

Overall I've never been a fan of time travel stories. You either end up with split timelines and change nothing, time paradoxes where history ends up getting worse, or "fate" intervenes and instead of changing history for the better someone else takes the mantle to fill the void you created and history goes on the same.



...


Your mom has a split timeline...


Smiley: glare
#7 Aug 04 2011 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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In my perfect back-in-time world, Hilter would be stopped from entering politics by less violent means. Regardless, perhaps eliminating the Holocaust would have changed the course of history enough to prevent 9/11 and/or other multi-casualty terrorist events.

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#8 Aug 04 2011 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Changing the past doesn't necessarily mean you'll change your present. You could split the timeline and still not change anything. Ignoring that, I chose to stop OBD, because fighting ***** made America awesome and all the efforts against OBD has been general detrimental, so ... eliminate the detrimental event.
But if you stop Hitler, forestall the Israel/Palestine conflict, which in turn will keep Muslims and Jews from hating each other as much as they do now, you may also end up preventing 9/11.
But then Captain America won't have a chance to punch Hitler.

Overall I've never been a fan of time travel stories. You either end up with split timelines and change nothing, time paradoxes where history ends up getting worse, or "fate" intervenes and instead of changing history for the better someone else takes the mantle to fill the void you created and history goes on the same.
...


Your mom has a split timeline...


Smiley: glare
YOUR LEGS HAVE A SPLIT TIME LINE.

Smiley: flowers
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#9 Aug 04 2011 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Changing the past doesn't necessarily mean you'll change your present.

It's my poll so it does.
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#10 Aug 04 2011 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Changing the past doesn't necessarily mean you'll change your present. You could split the timeline and still not change anything. Ignoring that, I chose to stop OBD, because fighting ***** made America awesome and all the efforts against OBD has been general detrimental, so ... eliminate the detrimental event.
OBD = Old Blue Dragon, An oldish guy that used to play EQ.

(is OBD a new abbreviation that you youngster made up?)
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#11 Aug 04 2011 at 9:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I voted for neither, because of Hitler the world was pulled from the greatest monetary depression in our history. Sure he did a lot of bad stuff but the fastest way to end a good depression is to have a good war.

As for 9/11 the government was warned of possible attacks, well in advance, they did nothing to stop this. Hell they had NORAD running drills based on the exact same scenario, as it was unfolding.

So no id stop neither. Part of our history and both events have in their own way helped to restructure the world.

Now if I could borrow your time machine id like to go back in time and bet that in 2008 the US would elect a black president, I am quite sure I would get nice odds on that.
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#12 Aug 04 2011 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Changing the past doesn't necessarily mean you'll change your present.

It's my poll so it does.
Be that as it may, I'd still stop 9/11 over WWII. We ended up being a stronger nation overall after the events of World War II, and absolutely nothing good has come out of 9/11 thus far.
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#13 Aug 04 2011 at 9:34 AM Rating: Default
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lolgaxe wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Changing the past doesn't necessarily mean you'll change your present.

It's my poll so it does.
Be that as it may, I'd still stop 9/11 over WWII. We ended up being a stronger nation overall after the events of World War II, and absolutely nothing good has come out of 9/11 thus far.



Hey speak for yourself, my country (Canada) has come through it just fine. For the first time in my life I can save money by buying things. 4-7 cents on every CND $ ain't not bad.
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#14 Aug 04 2011 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
In my perfect back-in-time world, Hilter would be stopped from entering politics by less violent means.


Complimenting his artwork?
#15 Aug 04 2011 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
absolutely nothing good has come out of 9/11 thus far.

Maybe you should have invested in Halliburton or Blackwater!
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#16 Aug 04 2011 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Changing the past doesn't necessarily mean you'll change your present.

It's my poll so it does.
Be that as it may, I'd still stop 9/11 over WWII. We ended up being a stronger nation overall after the events of World War II, and absolutely nothing good has come out of 9/11 thus far.

This was my reasoning as well. I also feel WWII would have happened anyway. Perhaps some other 9/11 event would have as well, but... eh... I'm America-centric, and WWII definitely helped us more than 9/11.
#17 Aug 04 2011 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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I don't believe your choice of destination for stopping 9/11 would have affected much.
#18 Aug 04 2011 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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Neither. There's no way to predict what the outcome of such actions would be. Changing the past would be reckless, in my opinion.
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#19 Aug 04 2011 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Changing the past doesn't necessarily mean you'll change your present. You could split the timeline and still not change anything. Ignoring that, I chose to stop OBD, because fighting ***** made America awesome and all the efforts against OBD has been general detrimental, so ... eliminate the detrimental event.
OBD = Old Blue Dragon, An oldish guy that used to play EQ.

(is OBD a new abbreviation that you youngster made up?)

He now plays EQ2.
#20 Aug 04 2011 at 10:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
In my perfect back-in-time world, Hilter would be stopped from entering politics by less violent means.


Complimenting his artwork?


I think that's the right track. Pull some strings and get him accepted to that art school he was turned down for.
#21 Aug 04 2011 at 10:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I chose 9/11, mostly because I wasn't alive during WW2.
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#22 Aug 04 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Default
Jophiel threads - for all the same conversations you can have with your stoned college friends, only slightly more eloquent. I guess that's what an office job does to you.

It's not as if the two individuals mentioned were the only two capable of causing the holocaust and 9/11 respectively. They both capitalized on already existent political sentiment and popular struggles etc to come to power. Some historians consider WW2 and WW1 to essentially be the same prolonged war, and I'd say it makes sense. You're not going to make the German people stop being pissed about the Versailles treaty, make the economy any better, make them fond of Jews, Gypsies, etc simply by killing one person.

The muzzo/Arab/OBL situation isn't much different.

I'd go hang out with famous historical figures and invest money.
#23 Aug 04 2011 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel threads - for all the same conversations you can have with your stoned college friends, only slightly more eloquent.

How's that "I wanna know what love is...!" thread working out for ya Smiley: laugh
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#24 Aug 04 2011 at 11:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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He's waiting for someone to show him.
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#25 Aug 04 2011 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
zukunftsangst wrote:
Jophiel threads - for all the same conversations you can have with your stoned college friends, only slightly more eloquent.

How's that "I wanna know what love is...!" thread working out for ya Smiley: laugh


The underlying theme of what I'm writing, the motif if you will, is loss, misery, rejection, etc.

By the way you treat me I feel pretty informed on the subject. </3
#26 Aug 04 2011 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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zukunftsangst wrote:
Jophiel threads - for all the same conversations you can have with your stoned college friends, only slightly more eloquent.

The polls are a nice feature.
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