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#52 Aug 04 2011 at 1:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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You radical limp d*cked liberals can't provide any proof that allowing gay marriage will do anything to reduce their risk of contracting aids.


Found one.
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In a bid to curb the menace caused by HIV/AIDS, experts recommend making same-sex marriages legal, as almost one in every five in the gay community has AIDS.

Targeting such high-risk groups is the main agenda for AIDS societies worldwide as experts have cautioned that the gay community is at a higher risk of becoming HIV positive.

China, otherwise, has only a 0.05 percent population that is infected with AIDS.

Professor Zhang Beichuan from the Qingdao University said, “The lack of legal recognition for same-sex marriage is partially responsible for members of the gay community having multiple sexual partners, which increases the risk of HIV infection."
He stated, “To legalize same-sex marriage could help stabilize and sustain gay relationships, thereby lowering the risk of contracting HIV/AIDS"

The example in question primarily deals with China.

Still not sure what your point was, but there you go Smiley: lol Now, answer my question from before: are you saying that married individuals are more likely to have unsafe sex with multiple partners than singles? I'd like to see your stats on that Smiley: nod
#53 Aug 04 2011 at 1:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm still waiting for Varus to show me the AIDS epidemic that's apparently gripped my country since we legalised civil partnerships.
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#54 Aug 04 2011 at 1:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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An article published in 2009 in the Journal of Health Economics, a peer-reviewed academic journal, examines the relationship between homosexual tolerance and AIDS rates. They found that an increase in tolerance significantly reduces the rate of HIV. They also found that laws that ban marriage between individuals of the same sex increase HIV rate by between 3 and 5 per hundred thousand.

A link to the study, which you won't bother to read.

Edited, Aug 4th 2011 3:48pm by Spoonless
#55 Aug 04 2011 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're both wrong because neither of those have anything to do with MURKA and those rascally blacks. @#%^ing liberals.

Edited, Aug 4th 2011 3:50pm by lolgaxe
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Whatever, lagaga.
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Normalizing homosexuality will only increase sexually transmitted diseases. Just another class of degenerates the liberals are pandering to.

Encouraging monogamous relationships through the state institution of marriage will decrease the likelihood of sex with multiple partners, thus decreasing HIV transmissions among gay men. Smiley: schooled


Wait! So you're saying that by creating a status in which the state recognizes a relationship and provides benefits to those who enter into it acts as an incentive for those allowed to qualify for it to enter into that form of relationship in the first place? Interesting...

Strange that when you say this in this context the usual peanut gallery doesn't fall over themselves insisting that this doesn't happen. I could have sworn that the consensus by most of this forum was that the state institution of marriage didn't act as any sort of incentive to get people to marry. So you've reversed position on this now?
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Damnit, I was just about to post "gbaji in 3...2...1...."
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Damnit, I was just about to post "gbaji in 3...2...1...."

You're slipping. Smiley: tongue
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#60 Aug 04 2011 at 2:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Monsieur Spoonless wrote:
An article published in 2009 in the Journal of Health Economics, a peer-reviewed academic journal, examines the relationship between homosexual tolerance and AIDS rates. They found that an increase in tolerance significantly reduces the rate of HIV. They also found that laws that ban marriage between individuals of the same sex increase HIV rate by between 3 and 5 per hundred thousand.

A link to the study, which you won't bother to read.

Edited, Aug 4th 2011 3:48pm by Spoonless

I wasn't able to find the link to that study, at least one that would work, but I found this, which is pretty much saying the same thing.
#61 Aug 04 2011 at 2:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Damnit, I was just about to post "gbaji in 3...2...1...."

You're slipping. Smiley: tongue

Please let it end here, we don't need another one of those debates...
#62 Aug 04 2011 at 2:51 PM Rating: Good
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ITT: The opposite of what Varus has said is found to be true. No one surprised.
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An article published in 2009 in the Journal of Health Economics, a peer-reviewed academic journal, examines the relationship between homosexual tolerance and AIDS rates. They found that an increase in tolerance significantly reduces the rate of HIV. They also found that laws that ban marriage between individuals of the same sex increase HIV rate by between 3 and 5 per hundred thousand.

A link to the study, which you won't bother to read.

Edited, Aug 4th 2011 3:48pm by Spoonless

I wasn't able to find the link to that study, at least one that would work, but I found this, which is pretty much saying the same thing.
Yeah, that page is referencing the study I linked, which is just a link to a PDF file. Was it not working for you?
#64 Aug 04 2011 at 3:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Monsieur Spoonless wrote:
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An article published in 2009 in the Journal of Health Economics, a peer-reviewed academic journal, examines the relationship between homosexual tolerance and AIDS rates. They found that an increase in tolerance significantly reduces the rate of HIV. They also found that laws that ban marriage between individuals of the same sex increase HIV rate by between 3 and 5 per hundred thousand.

A link to the study, which you won't bother to read.

Edited, Aug 4th 2011 3:48pm by Spoonless

I wasn't able to find the link to that study, at least one that would work, but I found this, which is pretty much saying the same thing.
Yeah, that page is referencing the study I linked, which is just a link to a PDF file. Was it not working for you?

Before I found this page I had found a few other pages that had dead links to that PDF.
#65 Aug 04 2011 at 3:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, OK. I just wanted to provide the primary source. Not that it really matters, since I'm sure it's all just part of the Liberal Agenda anyway.
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Link to PDF works just fine for me.
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So it peaked at 2005. When civil partnerships passed into law. And after that they declined, yes?
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Annual diagnoses have slightly declined since then with 6,136 people diagnosed HIV-positive in 2010
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Seems like you've shot yourself in the foot Varus, if acceptance of homosexuality did increase the incidence of HIV/AIDS, the numbers would still be climbing.

Also from your link wrote:
Although HIV is often perceived to be a ‘gay’ problem, infections acquired through heterosexual sex account for the largest number of HIV diagnoses in the UK. The majority of people who acquired HIV heterosexually were infected overseas but only became aware of their status after being tested in the UK. In terms of HIV infections actually occurring within the UK, gay men (and other men who have sex with men) accounted for two thirds of new cases in 2010


You really should read these things before posting them. Smiley: laugh

Edited, Aug 4th 2011 5:26pm by Nilatai
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#69Almalieque, Posted: Aug 04 2011 at 3:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do you not understand that a blood transfusion is a blood transfusion. Therefore, you should lump "sharing needles" with every other blood transfusion. You're simply not wanting to single out "**** sex", because people might just think homosexual. But, by labeling "sharing needles", you're equally doing the same thing to drug users.
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Almalieque wrote:
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Do you not understand that if an **** tear occurs while using protection that no blood is transferred? I lump all sex into one category because transmission can be stopped by proper use of protection.


Do you not understand that a blood transfusion is a blood transfusion. Therefore, you should lump "sharing needles" with every other blood transfusion. You're simply not wanting to single out "**** sex", because people might just think homosexual. But, by labeling "sharing needles", you're equally doing the same thing to drug users.

What other group of people share needles?
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#71 Aug 04 2011 at 3:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jim wrote:

Do you not understand that if an **** tear occurs while using protection that no blood is transferred? I lump all sex into one category because transmission can be stopped by proper use of protection.


Do you not understand that a blood transfusion is a blood transfusion. Therefore, you should lump "sharing needles" with every other blood transfusion. You're simply not wanting to single out "**** sex", because people might just think homosexual. But, by labeling "sharing needles", you're equally doing the same thing to drug users.


It's ok to discriminate against drug users, though.
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Nilatai wrote:
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Do you not understand that if an **** tear occurs while using protection that no blood is transferred? I lump all sex into one category because transmission can be stopped by proper use of protection.


Do you not understand that a blood transfusion is a blood transfusion. Therefore, you should lump "sharing needles" with every other blood transfusion. You're simply not wanting to single out "**** sex", because people might just think homosexual. But, by labeling "sharing needles", you're equally doing the same thing to drug users.

What other group of people share needles?

Those damn diabetics!
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Nilatai wrote:
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Do you not understand that if an **** tear occurs while using protection that no blood is transferred? I lump all sex into one category because transmission can be stopped by proper use of protection.


Do you not understand that a blood transfusion is a blood transfusion. Therefore, you should lump "sharing needles" with every other blood transfusion. You're simply not wanting to single out "**** sex", because people might just think homosexual. But, by labeling "sharing needles", you're equally doing the same thing to drug users.

What other group of people share needles?



That's the thing... It's not "sharing needles", it's using unclean needles. Drug users "share needles", so by saying "sharing needles", you're singling out drug users. That's cool, if you're simply referencing activities that have high likelihood of contracting AIDS, but doing so also includes **** sex. Don't say one and not the other.
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Do you not understand that if an **** tear occurs while using protection that no blood is transferred? I lump all sex into one category because transmission can be stopped by proper use of protection.


Do you not understand that a blood transfusion is a blood transfusion. Therefore, you should lump "sharing needles" with every other blood transfusion. You're simply not wanting to single out "**** sex", because people might just think homosexual. But, by labeling "sharing needles", you're equally doing the same thing to drug users.

What other group of people share needles?



That's the thing... It's not "sharing needles", it's using unclean needles. Drug users "share needles", so by saying "sharing needles", you're singling out drug users. That's cool, if you're simply referencing activities that have high likelihood of contracting AIDS, but doing so also includes **** sex. Don't say one and not the other.

It's not using unclean needles though, is it. It's using "used" needles.
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So it peaked at 2005. When civil partnerships passed into law. And after that they declined, yes?


Don't really have a dog in this hunt, but:

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In 2007 the Health Protection Agency (HPA) announced that the number of newly diagnosed HIV infections amongst gay men had risen for the third successive year, to an all time high


So that would be no.

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Annual diagnoses have slightly declined since then with 6,136 people diagnosed HIV-positive in 2010


Seems like you've shot yourself in the foot Varus, if acceptance of homosexuality did increase the incidence of HIV/AIDS, the numbers would still be climbing.


Seems like you're only looking at the parts that support what you already believe. Case in point:

Also from your link wrote:
Although HIV is often perceived to be a ‘gay’ problem, infections acquired through heterosexual sex account for the largest number of HIV diagnoses in the UK. The majority of people who acquired HIV heterosexually were infected overseas but only became aware of their status after being tested in the UK. In terms of HIV infections actually occurring within the UK, gay men (and other men who have sex with men) accounted for two thirds of new cases in 2010


What this is saying is that people from other countries who come to the UK to be treated for HIV are mostly heterosexual, but that 2/3rds of HIV infections occurring within the UK occur as a result of male homosexual activity. Why is that relevant? Because the question was whether adoption of legal recognition/status of homosexuals within a country affects the rate of HIV infection among its gay population. Inserting data about HIV infections occurring in other countries doesn't tell us anything.


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That's pretty rich.

Edited, Aug 4th 2011 3:47pm by gbaji
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It's not using unclean needles though, is it. It's using "used" needles.


Point of order. It is indeed using "unclean" needles. You can reuse needles if you clean them properly. It's the fact that they're not clean, not that they are being reused which spreads the disease. My mom used to reuse needles all the time. She boiled them in a pot on the kitchen stove.
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