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#102REDACTED, Posted: Aug 11 2011 at 2:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) someguy,
#103 Aug 11 2011 at 3:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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and we scientists have kids to feed just like everyone else.


So you have a vested interest in falsifying data to support academia's stance on a particular issue if that data runs contrary to the accepted position.

Tell us something we don't know.



The worst of the scientists I work with have a terrible problem with having conformational bias affect their datasets. That and most people tend to stop analyzing data once they find what they're looking for. It's not usually the sign of a good scientist, but that doesn't mean they don't get a few publications out of it before the well runs dry.

Any nuance is usually lost when others cite your work as well.

It can be quite humorous.
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#104 Aug 11 2011 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, but many professors aren't tenured. It's not that you're actively misrepresenting the facts; you can only work on what you people will give you money to study. You simply cherry-pick the good set of results, make a nice story, and mention the rest needs further study to cover your back if/when it falls through. Especially when you're starting out as a researcher, money is a problem. Funding is hard to get, 2-3 year grants, and such. If you aren't getting 'results' from the first project it can hard to get anything else funded. You don't get funded, you lose your lab space and your job, and we scientists have kids to feed just like everyone else.

Problem is the system is pretty bad at the moment. You spend a lot of time writing grants, and less time then you should double-checking results. Doing a good statistical analysis can be very counter-productive. The competitive environment makes the peer review process caustic. Reviewers have been known to fail to approve decent papers that contradict their own; or even worse steal the idea and publish their own paper on it later on.

Sorry, I'm a bit cynical about it all at times. There's still a good number of good scientists out there, but their voice often gets drowned out. Spending 4 years producing one quality paper doesn't lead to the same amount of funding as producing 10 bad papers in the same time frame.


That may be true for certain disciplines/teams, but most don't have that problem. Many researchers pay out of their own pocket for research that personally interests them, and many have no significant costs at all in the first place, either because the costs are minimal to begin with, or the university already owns the necessary equipment/facilities, or they can co-author with a program that does. If you want to do a big study, that's a different matter, and I absolutely agree that the system needs to better accommodate quality over quantity, but that's usually the researcher's choice. If nothing else, you can go to a smaller school where the research requirements are much less strict. It's usually the researcher's prerogative to be in that kind of situation whether they have tenure or not.

And not that those others aren't legitimate problems, but they're certainly not the norm either.
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That may be true for certain disciplines/teams, but most don't have that problem. Many researchers pay out of their own pocket for research that personally interests them, and many have no significant costs at all in the first place, either because the costs are minimal to begin with, or the university already owns the necessary equipment/facilities, or they can co-author with a program that does. If you want to do a big study, that's a different matter, and I absolutely agree that the system needs to better accommodate quality over quantity, but that's usually the researcher's choice. If nothing else, you can go to a smaller school where the research requirements are much less strict. It's usually the researcher's prerogative to be in that kind of situation whether they have tenure or not.

And not that those others aren't legitimate problems, but they're certainly not the norm either.


Yeah I imagine I have a fairly narrow window on these things. I don't know how many scientists (like %-wise) are employed in a position where tenure is an option, and how that varies from field to field. My narrow view is limited to the biomedical community; certainly a different ballgame from climate science.

Thankfully of course; as I think politicians splicing every word in a paper I published would drive me nuts. Smiley: lol
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