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#1 Jul 28 2011 at 7:23 AM Rating: Default
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In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.

Scientists on all sides of the global warming debate are in general agreement about how much heat is being directly trapped by human emissions of carbon dioxide (the answer is "not much"). However, the single most important issue in the global warming debate is whether carbon dioxide emissions will indirectly trap far more heat by causing large increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds. Alarmist computer models assume human carbon dioxide emissions indirectly cause substantial increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds (each of which are very effective at trapping heat), but real-world data have long shown that carbon dioxide emissions are not causing as much atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds as the alarmist computer models have predicted.

The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models.


Yeah you global warming nut jobs can chew on this one for a while.


http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html



Edited, Jul 28th 2011 9:24am by varusword75
#2 Jul 28 2011 at 7:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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NASA didn't "shoot down" anything. A scientist used NASA data to write a paper in which he says these things are happening. The article itself is written by a guy from a conservative think tank; it's essentially a press release.

Roy Spencer's data has been wrong on multiple occasions so who knows here. If he's correct, then it's more data to add to the debate.
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#3 Jul 28 2011 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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Learn from my mistake, yahoo news isn't 100% credible. It's nice because it covers a lot of different topics and it's "in your face", but many times, it's just a blogger writing an opinionated article based on legitimate information. It does, however, gives you something to think about.
#4 Jul 28 2011 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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Roy Spencer's data has been wrong on multiple occasions so who knows here. If he's correct, then it's more data to add to the debate.

I'd take his data over James Hansen's any day.
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Yeah, the guy who wrote that article is involved with The Heartland Institute, a think tank that staunchly claims that global warming is actually not occurring, and would in fact be beneficial if it were. Which is, y'know, wrong.

What the original article, found here, actually says is this:

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Applied to long-term climate change, the research might indicate that the climate is less sensitive to warming due to increased carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere than climate modelers have theorized. A major underpinning of global warming theory is that the slight warming caused by enhanced greenhouse gases should change cloud cover in ways that cause additional warming, which would be a positive feedback cycle.

Instead, the natural ebb and flow of clouds, solar radiation, heat rising from the oceans and a myriad of other factors added to the different time lags in which they impact the atmosphere might make it impossible to isolate or accurately identify which piece of Earth’s changing climate is feedback from manmade greenhouse gases.

“There are simply too many variables to reliably gauge the right number for that,” Spencer said. “The main finding from this research is that there is no solution to the problem of measuring atmospheric feedback, due mostly to our inability to distinguish between radiative forcing and radiative feedback in our observations.”

Which basically means the current model is no good and we need to come up with an improved one which takes into account all of the factors. Which will be extremely difficult.

Not, as your guy on yahoo says "herpidy derp, global warming isn't teh happening".

Also, what's with the fixation on CO2, there are other greenhouse gasses. The worst of which is Methane, from intensive agriculture.

Edited, Jul 28th 2011 9:54am by Nilatai
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I'd take his data over James Hansen's any day.

You're welcome to it!

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Nilatai wrote:
Also, what's with the fixation on CO2, there are other greenhouse gasses. The worst of which is Methane, from intensive agriculture.
...and the methane being released from previously permafrozen permafrost/tundra.
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#8 Jul 28 2011 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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Learn from my mistake, yahoo news isn't 100% credible. It's nice because it covers a lot of different topics and it's "in your face", but many times, it's just a blogger writing an opinionated article based on legitimate information. It does, however, gives you something to think about.


I like the ones that link you to a Yahoo Question from one of the users. That's always fun.
#9 Jul 28 2011 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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Here's the abstract to Spencer's recently published paper:

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Abstract: The sensitivity of the climate system to an imposed radiative imbalance remains the largest source of uncertainty in projections of future anthropogenic climate change. Here we present further evidence that this uncertainty from an observational perspective is largely due to the masking of the radiative feedback signal by internal radiative forcing, probably due to natural cloud variations. That these internal radiative forcings exist and likely corrupt feedback diagnosis is demonstrated with lag regression analysis of satellite and coupled climate model data, interpreted with a simple forcing-feedback model. While the satellite-based metrics for the period 2000–2010 depart substantially in the direction of lower climate sensitivity from those similarly computed from coupled climate models, we find that, with traditional methods, it is not possible to accurately quantify this discrepancy in terms of the feedbacks which determine climate sensitivity. It is concluded that atmospheric feedback diagnosis of the climate system remains an unsolved problem, due primarily to the inability to distinguish between radiative forcing and radiative feedback in satellite radiative budget observations.




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At least this proves there isn't a consensus or anything of the like.
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Nilatai wrote:
Also, what's with the fixation on CO2, there are other greenhouse gasses. The worst of which is Methane, from intensive agriculture.
...and the methane being released from previously permafrozen permafrost/tundra.

But that's impossible because global warming isn't real! Duh.
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because global warming isn't real


Human caused global warming isn't real. It's a tool used by liberal whack jobs to control their followers.


What evidence do you have to support your claim?


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I wish he were a poe.

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What evidence do you have that proves it? You're the one stating something the onus is on you to prove it.
This from the raving Christian nutjob. Smiley: oyvey

I would explain things to you if it wouldn't be such a colossal fucking waste of time. Being that 1)you wouldn't even read it and 2) even if you did you wouldn't understand a word of it, you cretin.
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At least there are witnesses that Christ arose from the dead and ascended to heaven.
Yet no actual proof of it.
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At least there are witnesses that Christ arose from the dead and ascended to heaven.
Yet no actual proof of it.

My girlfriend's evangelical Southern Baptist father tried to explain to me once that because the Bible mentions that there were hundreds of witnesses to the resurrection, it must be true, because no one would consent to being put in a book unless they were certain, especially since by the time the gospels were written the original witnesses could still be found and questioned.

I wanted to point out that 95% of those "hundreds" are not named, the "book" wasn't written until at least 50-70 years after the resurrection (at which time almost everyone would have been dead, or a child at the time), and that eyewitness testimony is faulty at best and downright self-deceptive at worst. Oh, and that those who were named were almost all already believers and followers themselves.

But then I remembered that those convinced of their religion can't really be reasoned with, and it's probably better to nod and smile than irk the potential future in-laws.
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top scientists have analyzed the NASA data

"Top scientists are studying the data now."
"What? Who?"
"Top. Scientists."
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varusword75 wrote:
Nat,

At least there are witnesses that Christ arose from the dead and ascended to heaven.

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NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted


So yeah top scientists have analyzed the NASA data and pretty much agree that human caused global warming activists are ignorant liberal whack jobs.

Have you considered this is why Obama has done everything he can to f*ck with NASA lately?




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I really am starting to have a hard time believing you're real. Are there really people like you? Fucking hell you're batshit insane.
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What do you know about roman soldiers assigned to watch someone or something and how they were punished if they failed in that task?

Doesn't matter if there was no tomb, no body and no guarding soldiers.
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What do you know about Roman documents attesting to Jesus' miracles?

That they don't exist.
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Wait, so Varus' grandfather was privvy to information that eludes historians to this day? Amazing!

He even used the "People wouldn't be willing to die for a lie" argument. I guess that means the Muslims are right, and Mohammed really did bring the perfect word. I mean, people wouldn't blow themselves up for a lie, now would they varus?
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