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#52 Jul 26 2011 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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Illinois doesn't require an ID but they do require that your signature match that on their copy of your voter registration (they have a book of everyone's registration). If it does, you're groovy. If not, you either don't vote or else get a provisional ballot to be judged later.


I guess if you break your arm, develop arthritis, or get Parkinson's Disease you're out of luck. Smiley: lol
#53 Jul 26 2011 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, that's why you have election judges. If I was to show up with a cast and alternate ID, I wouldn't have any problem getting my ballot. If I had no other form of ID, I'd request a provisional ballot.
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#54 Jul 26 2011 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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I'd like NJ to switch to a more technologically friendly voting method, actually. There are two times someone in my family has been denied their right to vote because of a mistake or limitation caused by the books, in recent years.

One was my sister, who was denied her right because the polling place screwed up and checked someone else in under her name (Same first and last, but different middle name).

The other had to do with getting f*cked over by turning 18 just under the 21 day requirement NJ has, because they need time to print all those stupid books.

I just honestly don't see why we are continuing to use archaic methods for voting (and I'm just speaking in the context of NJ, since I have no clue what the requirements are elsewhere). Every person with a valid drivers license will now have a digital one in NJ. They should all be in a database that includes an updated picture (and this includes state IDs). Which you need to have in order to register to vote.

That means they could scan the barcode and take a digital signature to check you in with far more confidence. If you don't have a valid ID, they can still check your identity using the picture in the database (which is fine, as long as your appearance hasn't changed significantly--there's obviously a limit--and of course that wouldn't be an issue in NJ until after the next election, since that's when the first digital licenses will expire).
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#55 Jul 26 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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There are currently 20 states that do not require any ID to vote. Only 16 states currently require photo ID to vote.


Smiley: facepalm

Tennessee does at least require an ID to vote. I think it's photo ID specifically, but I'm not sure.

Tennessee is currently ID only, with a Photo ID law kicking in in 2012.
#56 Jul 26 2011 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry, have to drop in without reading most of the thread...

My biggest concern is that there seems to be heavy, substantial, circumstantial evidence that a man was KILLED over this, killed to keep any evidence of election fraud coming to light. A substantial and credible witness, Mr Connell who ran GovTech, begged for protection from the Attourney General in return for his deposition... but the Attourney General could not keep him safe and alive.

That just sucks.

Edited, Jul 26th 2011 3:31pm by Aripyanfar
#57 Jul 26 2011 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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#58 Jul 26 2011 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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My biggest concern is that there seems to be heavy, substantial, circumstantial evidence that a man was KILLED over this

There's also a craptonne of circumstantial evidence that you're a reasonable, rationale, intelligent young lady, but then you go making posts like this and remind us all why circumstantial evidence doesn't usually hold up to scrutiny.
#59 Jul 26 2011 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
My biggest concern is that there seems to be heavy, substantial, circumstantial evidence that a man was KILLED over this

There's also a craptonne of circumstantial evidence that you're a reasonable, rationale, intelligent young lady, but then you go making posts like this and remind us all why circumstantial evidence doesn't usually hold up to scrutiny.


On the other hand, there is no circumstantial evidence that you are a pleasant human being.

So there's that.
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#60 Jul 26 2011 at 7:02 PM Rating: Good
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I've always thought people should be fined if they don't vote. Afaik, that happens in Australia.
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#61 Jul 26 2011 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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Would be really hard to do, since we don't even have proper records for everyone in the US.

Plus, if people are so disengaged that they don't care about voting, they probably don't have the slightest clue about who they are choosing. In theory, you don't want your presidents/representatives chosen by pure chance.
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#62 Jul 26 2011 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
My biggest concern is that there seems to be heavy, substantial, circumstantial evidence that a man was KILLED over this

There's also a craptonne of circumstantial evidence that you're a reasonable, rationale, intelligent young lady, but then you go making posts like this and remind us all why circumstantial evidence doesn't usually hold up to scrutiny.

Smiley: inlove


Abused children take any attention they can get.

Edited, Jul 26th 2011 9:11pm by Aripyanfar
#63 Jul 26 2011 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Would be really hard to do, since we don't even have proper records for everyone in the US.

Plus, if people are so disengaged that they don't care about voting, they probably don't have the slightest clue about who they are choosing. In theory, you don't want your presidents/representatives chosen by pure chance.

Sure, but people should also be made aware that they aren't entitled to an opinion about how their country is being run if they don't care enough to vote.

I know a guy who constantly complains about the government, but has never even voted in a local election. Pisses me off.
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#64 Jul 26 2011 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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Meh, I'll retract that.

Edited, Jul 26th 2011 8:16pm by Allegory
#65 Jul 26 2011 at 7:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Plus, if people are so disengaged that they don't care about voting, they probably don't have the slightest clue about who they are choosing.
>Implying that people have the slightest clue about who they're choosing when they are engaged.
Smiley: dubious
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#66 Jul 26 2011 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Plus, if people are so disengaged that they don't care about voting, they probably don't have the slightest clue about who they are choosing.
>Implying that people have the slightest clue about who they're choosing when they are engaged.
Smiley: dubious


Lol, fair.

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I know a guy who constantly complains about the government, but has never even voted in a local election. Pisses me off.


Tell him that.
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#67 Jul 26 2011 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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I don't vote. Two reasons. First of all it's meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn't mean a fucking thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who ***** everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.
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#68 Jul 26 2011 at 8:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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#69 Jul 27 2011 at 12:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Meh, I'll retract that.

Edited, Jul 26th 2011 8:16pm by Allegory

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#70Almalieque, Posted: Jul 27 2011 at 5:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I was actually going to say that (as I argued that in the 08 election), but since someone else said it, I'm sure it will be viewed differently. One thing that I would add is that not voting doesn't equal to not being concerned or caring. Sometimes not voting is the best option. Voting for the lesser of two evils and/or in spite causes more harm than not voting.
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