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Par for the course, idiggory completely misses the point.
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
I'm curious what you mean by this. I happen to like early voting. Ideally, election day would be a national holiday; but since it's not, early voting let me vote on my own time in the last few elections (not just the presidential one). Also I'm wondering what the issues with early voting and absentee ballots have been - I just haven't heard anything about it before.
I think turning voting in to a matter of convenience misses the point. Most states have laws requiring paid time off for voting (2 hours in most cases, I believe), and most states have polls that are open 12 hours. If you're going to be out of the state, fine, get an absentee ballot. Otherwise, I think it has a greater potential to effect the integrity of the election than most other problems.
Early voting is just stupid. It lets people make a decision before the information is in.
Voting is as much a responsibility as a right. Make the time for it on the second Tuesday of November.
You also have millions of college students who go to school far from their home town (possibly not even in their home states). Absentee ballots allow them to vote. Those who stay in their state might be able to register their official address as at school, but issues linked to financial aid and such, the same might not be possible of an out-of-state student.
Or what if you work a job that sends you abroad? What, do the employees of US consulates not deserve the right to vote? How about US soldiers? Do they not deserve them?
That's what happens when you spam your way to 10k. You respond to what you want to be there instead of what's actually there.
Majivo wrote:
Par for the course, idiggory completely misses the point.
The point, the explicit caveat in the quoted text, potayto, potahto.
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I don't really understand your point then. You are irritated because you can vote with an absentee ballot even if you'd be in state?
I really don't see why that would be a problem.
I really don't see why that would be a problem.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I don't really understand your point then. You are irritated because you can vote with an absentee ballot even if you'd be in state?
I really don't see why that would be a problem.
I really don't see why that would be a problem.
He is mostly not happy with early voting.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
He is mostly not happy with early voting policies that traditionally favor Democrats.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I'm just curious if it is a purely personal dislike, or one that he's founding on some kind of objective premise that I can identify with.
Because I see no problem with it. Making it easier for people to exercise their right to vote seems like a good thing to me, personally. There are a few times when I've been unable to vote (all which are literal--hospital, unavoidable emergencies, etc.). All but one of these wouldn't have happened, though, if voting spanned two days instead of one, for instance (the one being when I was admitted to the hospital the day before polling started, and left 3 days after, with a governor I didn't want).
Oh, and you're right--I totally missed the point where you weren't talking about legitimately being out of the country.
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And I assume that we aren't talking about early primaries? I'm totally in favor of abolishing those, simply because the issues focused on by early states are generally best represented in elections.
Edited, Jul 25th 2011 9:47pm by idiggory
Because I see no problem with it. Making it easier for people to exercise their right to vote seems like a good thing to me, personally. There are a few times when I've been unable to vote (all which are literal--hospital, unavoidable emergencies, etc.). All but one of these wouldn't have happened, though, if voting spanned two days instead of one, for instance (the one being when I was admitted to the hospital the day before polling started, and left 3 days after, with a governor I didn't want).
Oh, and you're right--I totally missed the point where you weren't talking about legitimately being out of the country.
[EDIT]
And I assume that we aren't talking about early primaries? I'm totally in favor of abolishing those, simply because the issues focused on by early states are generally best represented in elections.
Edited, Jul 25th 2011 9:47pm by idiggory
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
Jophiel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
He is mostly not happy. with early voting policies that traditionally favor Democrats.
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PunkFloyd
Happiness is for chumps.
We vote early. Usually the Friday just before the election. It's actually more convenient for us to go downtown to the main polling HQ, since we go there for dinner on Fridays anyway, than it is for us to drive to the ************************* elementary school practically in the next county over where our actual polling place is listed for reason we cannot fathom. This also allows my husband to volunteer as a poll driver on that Tuesday, chauffeuring old people without cars to the polls so they too can be enfranchised.
Voters who don't do their home work aren't going to vote early anyway. Usually the ones that go out in droves on election day itself are the ignorant partisans that blindly vote for whatever straight down the ticket candidates they see because they identity themselves with that party, not because they actually like the candidates or believe they'll do a better job of representing them.
Voters who don't do their home work aren't going to vote early anyway. Usually the ones that go out in droves on election day itself are the ignorant partisans that blindly vote for whatever straight down the ticket candidates they see because they identity themselves with that party, not because they actually like the candidates or believe they'll do a better job of representing them.
catwho wrote:
Usually the ones that go out in droves on election day itself are the ignorant partisans that blindly vote for whatever straight down the ticket candidates they see because they identity themselves with that party
I vote on Election Day because, hey, it's Election Day! Voting early is like opening your Christmas gifts on the 21st. I don't care if you do it, but it doesn't feel right.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
catwho wrote:
We vote early. Usually the Friday just before the election. It's actually more convenient for us to go downtown to the main polling HQ, since we go there for dinner on Fridays anyway, than it is for us to drive to the middle-of-@#%^ing-nowhere elementary school practically in the next county over where our actual polling place is listed for reason we cannot fathom. This also allows my husband to volunteer as a poll driver on that Tuesday, chauffeuring old people without cars to the polls so they too can be enfranchised.
Voters who don't do their home work aren't going to vote early anyway. Usually the ones that go out in droves on election day itself are the ignorant partisans that blindly vote for whatever straight down the ticket candidates they see because they identity themselves with that party, not because they actually like the candidates or believe they'll do a better job of representing them.
Voters who don't do their home work aren't going to vote early anyway. Usually the ones that go out in droves on election day itself are the ignorant partisans that blindly vote for whatever straight down the ticket candidates they see because they identity themselves with that party, not because they actually like the candidates or believe they'll do a better job of representing them.
Does he berate them for their ignorance on the way there?
Jophiel wrote:
catwho wrote:
Usually the ones that go out in droves on election day itself are the ignorant partisans that blindly vote for whatever straight down the ticket candidates they see because they identity themselves with that party
I vote on Election Day because, hey, it's Election Day! Voting early is like opening your Christmas gifts on the 21st. I don't care if you do it, but it doesn't feel right.
I kinda like going to the polls. Ours polls are set-up in the HS gym. There's usually a line, but not long (~10-15min wait) and over-flowing with local gossip.
This spring our governor signed into law a bill that disallows same-day registration. The Dems are supporting a citizens referendum to get rid of the law. In response a couple of our leading republican law-makers are demanding investigation of voter fraud. Apparently the dems send their kids off to college so they can register (and vote democrat!) in two states. -STORY
My kids, while in college out-of-state, had a hard time finding time to get that absentee ballot filled out and sent in (despite my nagging).
Alma wrote:
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Does he berate them for their ignorance on the way there?
Anyone who marries Catwho really shouldn't be questioning the intelligence of others.
Jophiel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
He is mostly not happy with early voting policies that traditionally favor Democrats.
It's twue. I also think you should have a photo ID to prove who you are to vote.
ZOMGPOLLTAX!!!111!!1
MoebiusLord wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
He is mostly not happy with early voting policies that traditionally favor Democrats.
It's twue. I also think you should have a photo ID to prove who you are to vote.
ZOMGPOLLTAX!!!111!!1
Any photo ID will do?
Alma wrote:
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Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
He is mostly not happy with early voting policies that traditionally favor Democrats.
It's twue. I also think you should have a photo ID to prove who you are to vote.
ZOMGPOLLTAX!!!111!!1
Any photo ID will do?
No, your Little Orphan Annie Super Spy Kids Club ID card will not work.
A drivers' license or state ID card would do just fine.
???
We do need one in NJ, afaik. At least they ask for my ID when I go. They've never specified photo ID, but I've never tried using anything else either.
We do need one in NJ, afaik. At least they ask for my ID when I go. They've never specified photo ID, but I've never tried using anything else either.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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We do need one in NJ, afaik. At least they ask for my ID when I go. They've never specified photo ID, but I've never tried using anything else either.
We do need one in NJ, afaik. At least they ask for my ID when I go. They've never specified photo ID, but I've never tried using anything else either.
There are currently 20 states that do not require any ID to vote. Only 16 states currently require photo ID to vote.
I think requiring an ID to vote is not an undue burden, but I think that a voter registration card should be sufficient ID. If you've gone through the effort to register and you're in the system through that method, why require additional identification?
The main reason the poll folks in Georgia prefer your driver's license, I've found, is that they can scan the barcode on the back and look you up in 10 seconds flat. Anything else requires them manually inputting names and addresses, at which point you WILL get a hard time if it's not an identical match in the voter records. Since they switched to the DL barcode scanner, no one has said anything about my official address not matching what my DL says, when before, I'd get grilled about it every time.
The main reason the poll folks in Georgia prefer your driver's license, I've found, is that they can scan the barcode on the back and look you up in 10 seconds flat. Anything else requires them manually inputting names and addresses, at which point you WILL get a hard time if it's not an identical match in the voter records. Since they switched to the DL barcode scanner, no one has said anything about my official address not matching what my DL says, when before, I'd get grilled about it every time.
catwho wrote:
I think requiring an ID to vote is not an undue burden, but I think that a voter registration card should be sufficient ID. If you've gone through the effort to register and you're in the system through that method, why require additional identification?
The main reason the poll folks in Georgia prefer your driver's license, I've found, is that they can scan the barcode on the back and look you up in 10 seconds flat. Anything else requires them manually inputting names and addresses, at which point you WILL get a hard time if it's not an identical match in the voter records. Since they switched to the DL barcode scanner, no one has said anything about my official address not matching what my DL says, when before, I'd get grilled about it every time.
The main reason the poll folks in Georgia prefer your driver's license, I've found, is that they can scan the barcode on the back and look you up in 10 seconds flat. Anything else requires them manually inputting names and addresses, at which point you WILL get a hard time if it's not an identical match in the voter records. Since they switched to the DL barcode scanner, no one has said anything about my official address not matching what my DL says, when before, I'd get grilled about it every time.
A photo ID is the only way to reasonably verify that the person you are talking to is the person they say they are. Anything below the standard of a state issued ID or passport is open to fraud and abuse.
MoebiusLord wrote:
There are currently 20 states that do not require any ID to vote. Only 16 states currently require photo ID to vote.
Tennessee does at least require an ID to vote. I think it's photo ID specifically, but I'm not sure.
Illinois doesn't require an ID but they do require that your signature match that on their copy of your voter registration (they have a book of everyone's registration). If it does, you're groovy. If not, you either don't vote or else get a provisional ballot to be judged later.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Voting is a balancing act. You make it to much of a hindrance and you'll lose voters. More importantly you'll lose groups of voters. Now you no longer have a representative government.
In Maine we have a have a few hill-billy militias. For the most part they're patriotic but the less government for them the better. Many don't want ID's as they don't want to give the government that much info about themselves. So, if Maine decides voters need to provide proof of identity by presenting a state issued ID card, these people wont' vote. Now, Hazel down at town hall personally knows each of these individual. In this instance id verification is just an exercise in bureaucracy - ie unnecessary red tape.
Now maybe it's a trade-off. If they want to vote they need to conform to rules that most of us see as totally reasonable. But, it may not be so reasonable for them. But their votes are important...no?
Edited, Jul 26th 2011 8:15pm by Elinda
In Maine we have a have a few hill-billy militias. For the most part they're patriotic but the less government for them the better. Many don't want ID's as they don't want to give the government that much info about themselves. So, if Maine decides voters need to provide proof of identity by presenting a state issued ID card, these people wont' vote. Now, Hazel down at town hall personally knows each of these individual. In this instance id verification is just an exercise in bureaucracy - ie unnecessary red tape.
Now maybe it's a trade-off. If they want to vote they need to conform to rules that most of us see as totally reasonable. But, it may not be so reasonable for them. But their votes are important...no?
Edited, Jul 26th 2011 8:15pm by Elinda
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