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#77 Jul 19 2011 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
What's the difference between Chicago and NY pizza? 'Scuse my British ignorance.

New York style is thin-crust and greasier than oiled goose ****.

Chicago style is deep dish, with tons of cheese, and generally with the sauce on top.
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Chicago thin crust also differs from New York thin crust in that the Chicago crust is crisper. It's traditionally cut into squares since you can't really fold it like you would a New York slice.
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#79 Jul 19 2011 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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So both are basically awful then. Excellent.

I'll stick to European food.
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#80 Jul 19 2011 at 2:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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How can you tell me that this sounds awful?!

**** you, and your meat pies.
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Nilatai wrote:
I'll stick to European food.

Canned kippers and toast?
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#82 Jul 19 2011 at 2:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
What's the difference between Chicago and NY pizza? 'Scuse my British ignorance.

New York style is thin-crust and greasier than oiled goose sh*t.

Chicago style is deep dish, with tons of cheese, and generally with the sauce on top.


New York style isn't really thin crust though, right? Just thinner than deep dish? When I think "thin crust", I think of that almost-nonexistant crust that's just maybe a half a centimeter tall, and that's not New York style, as I understand it.

I could be completely wrong. I just figured that was the case because you have to specify "thin crust" to get the above, while a medium sized crust is what you typically get by default anywhere here in the city.

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So both are basically awful then. Excellent.

I'll stick to European food.


Was there an answer that would have satisfied you? Smiley: confused

PS: Aren't you British? As I hear it, you wouldn't have much room to judge.
#83 Jul 19 2011 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Demea wrote:
How can you tell me that this sounds awful?!

@#%^ you, and your meat pies.

Cheese goes on top! At least that's how they do it in Italy....and Greece. Seeing as the Italians basically copypasta'd the Greek culture. Aha, 'copypasta'.
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Nilatai wrote:
I'll stick to European food.

Canned kippers and toast?

German sausage, English cheese, French wine, Italian pasta, Greek lamb. Y'know, the good schtuff.

Eske Esquire wrote:
Was there an answer that would have satisfied you? Smiley: confused

PS: Aren't you British? As I hear it, you wouldn't have much room to judge.

Well I don't like greasy pizza, and I like my cheese on top. Some kind of compromise between the two perhaps? Smiley: confused


British food is stereotyped as being awful, yes. I'm not sure why, though. I mean sure, it's not French cuisine or anything, but some of it is pretty tasty.

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#84 Jul 19 2011 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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Now I want pizza...
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#85 Jul 19 2011 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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As a resident of the fine city of Chicago, I'm a little biased. Anything that isn't deep dish is "thin crust" to me.
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Thin crust is like eating off a cracker and is awful.
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#87 Jul 19 2011 at 2:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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British food is stereotyped as being awful, yes. I'm not sure why, though. I mean sure, it's not French cuisine or anything, but some of it is pretty tasty.

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I think it's generally just held to be heavy and somewhat bland.

For example, cucumber sandwiches are often associated with tea time (which I'm sure barely exists anymore, but we are talking about stereotypes here). Are they tasty? Sure (assuming you like cucumbers). But they aren't exactly interesting or overly flavorful.

I honestly don't know much about traditional English cooking. Actually, I think the problem is that traditional American fare isn't that different from traditional British cooking (unsurprisingly). Stereotypical American food isn't exactly flavorful or interesting either.

In any case, Asian or Mediterranean food for me please. Smiley: drool

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Nilatai wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Was there an answer that would have satisfied you? Smiley: confused

PS: Aren't you British? As I hear it, you wouldn't have much room to judge.

Well I don't like greasy pizza, and I like my cheese on top. Some kind of compromise between the two perhaps? Smiley: confused


British food is stereotyped as being awful, yes. I'm not sure why, though. I mean sure, it's not French cuisine or anything, but some of it is pretty tasty.

Edited, Jul 19th 2011 4:09pm by Nilatai


Ah. Yeah I don't like my pizza to be really greasy, either. Don't have a preference about the cheese location, though, since I don't think it affects the experience much.

My understanding of British food comes from my girlfriend, who's spent quite a significant amount of time around Europe. She says that actual British food is the worst that she's had worldwide, but that London's Indian food is particularly awesome.

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Thin crust is like eating off a cracker and is awful.


Agreed. I like deep dish, with a thick, buttery crust. It's probably heresy to say so, but I actually love Uno's pizza.
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"English cheese"? I think of either US dairy state cheese or else French or Italian for the overseas gourmet stuff but English? Nah.

I'd read it opined once that 50-odd years of food rationing in Great Britain largely eliminated their culinary culture on a household basis. Not that no one from Britain could learn to cook but, at the ground level, you can only do so many things with tinned meat.

I've eaten Italian pizza in Rome, Venice and Florence. It was uniformly unimpressive be it from a street vendor or a sit-down restaurant.
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Nilatai wrote:
British food is stereotyped as being awful, yes. I'm not sure why, though. I mean sure, it's not French cuisine or anything, but some of it is pretty tasty.

With the kinds of shiz you put into your mouth no wonder your teeth look the way they do.
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Agreed. I like deep dish, with a thick, buttery crust. It's probably heresy to say so, but I actually love Uno's pizza.

Outside of Chicago, you can't get real Uno's pizza. They franchise the name but the actual product is completely different.
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#93 Jul 19 2011 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Know what pizza I really like? Sbarro. That's probably the tastiest I've had.

Feel free to judge.
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Know what pizza I really like? Sbarro. That's probably the tastiest I've had.

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#95 Jul 19 2011 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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Best pizza I ever had was this little hole in the wall dive. A slice was the size of a whole medium, and enough grease to make concrete walls transparent. ******' amazing, though.

And yeah, NY is thin to where you can fold it in half to eat.
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Yeah, but the NY stuff has a softer thin crust. You can't really fold Chicago thin crust since it'll just break on ya.
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There is also a style of thin-crust pizza found in Chicago and throughout the rest of the Midwestern USA. The crust is thin and firm enough to have a noticeable crunch, unlike a New York-style pizza.

The crust is topped with a liberal quantity of Italian style tomato sauce, which usually has quite a lot of herbs or is highly spiced, and typically contains no visible chunks of tomato. Next, a layer of toppings is added, and finally a layer of mozzarella cheese. This pizza is cut into squares, also known as party cut, as opposed to a pie cut into wedges. However, the consistency of the crust and the quantity and choice of the tomato sauce and cheese are what separate this style from East Coast- and Roman-style pizzas, and it makes the pizza from most neighborhood pizzerias immediately distinguishable from that offered by national chains such as Papa John's or Pizza Hut.

If it's like a cracker, it's just a lousy crust and you should find a new pizza joint but it does have more crunch to it than your stock national chain crusts.
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Don't think I've ever had crunchy thin crust. Sounds horrible.
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Jophiel wrote:
Yeah, but the NY stuff has a softer thin crust. You can't really fold Chicago thin crust since it'll just break on ya.
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There is also a style of thin-crust pizza found in Chicago and throughout the rest of the Midwestern USA. The crust is thin and firm enough to have a noticeable crunch, unlike a New York-style pizza.

The crust is topped with a liberal quantity of Italian style tomato sauce, which usually has quite a lot of herbs or is highly spiced, and typically contains no visible chunks of tomato. Next, a layer of toppings is added, and finally a layer of mozzarella cheese. This pizza is cut into squares, also known as party cut, as opposed to a pie cut into wedges. However, the consistency of the crust and the quantity and choice of the tomato sauce and cheese are what separate this style from East Coast- and Roman-style pizzas, and it makes the pizza from most neighborhood pizzerias immediately distinguishable from that offered by national chains such as Papa John's or Pizza Hut.

If it's like a cracker, it's just a lousy crust and you should find a new pizza joint but it does have more crunch to it than your stock national chain crusts.


Ah, that's what I was talking about. Yeah, that's always been what thin crust means to me, and I've spent most of my life around the NYC area.

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Outside of Chicago, you can't get real Uno's pizza. They franchise the name but the actual product is completely different


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#99 Jul 19 2011 at 2:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I love super thin crust, the kind you guys are calling crackers. And tons of toppings. I can't stand deep-dish. If I wanted cheese bread, I'd get cheese bread.
#100 Jul 19 2011 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
British food is stereotyped as being awful, yes. I'm not sure why, though. I mean sure, it's not French cuisine or anything, but some of it is pretty tasty.

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Ah. Yeah I don't like my pizza to be really greasy, either. Don't have a preference about the cheese location, though, since I don't think it affects the experience much.

My understanding of British food comes from my girlfriend, who's spent quite a significant amount of time around Europe. She says that actual British food is the worst that she's had worldwide, but that London's Indian food is particularly awesome.

Eh, every culture has some pretty awful food associated with it. London is definitely a melting pot, and Brick Lane has some of the finest curry houses in the world.


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"English cheese"? I think of either US dairy state cheese or else French or Italian for the overseas gourmet stuff but English? Nah.

I'd read it opined once that 50-odd years of food rationing in Great Britain largely eliminated their culinary culture on a household basis. Not that no one from Britain could learn to cook but, at the ground level, you can only do so many things with tinned meat.

I've eaten Italian pizza in Rome, Venice and Florence. It was uniformly unimpressive be it from a street vendor or a sit-down restaurant.

Not sure what this whole thing about tinned meat is. Recovery from WWII was hard on Britain more than the rest of Europe, because we didn't get any overseas aid. That's probably why the majority of households had to use what was available and cheap.

As far as cheese goes, you've obviously never had a really good cheddar.
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