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#27 Jul 11 2011 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:

This is true.

However, I can't imagine that Elne would be turning the sort of profit where it would be a real issue. And she can have a Sole Proprietorship then change to an LLC as things start picking up.


It was that $2000 limit of liquid assets she mentioned previously that made me think about that.


Ah, I've been skimming the thread and I missed that. Though, honestly, I probably wouldn't consider that enough, but that's just because of the type of accounts we work with here.
#28 Jul 11 2011 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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For the sake of a couple hundred dollars, you'd be stupid not to register as an LLC. If you're talking $300 versus $1500, I could understand, but $300...?
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#29 Jul 11 2011 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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I don't see why you're doing the paper work and so on. A good friend of mine has a small, independent business that's totally unregistered and tax free. He's never had any legal problems with it, but of course a measure of common sense and caution is required.

How much for a dime bag?


A what, mate? I'm sure I have no idea what you mean.

For fuck's sake, you aren't British. Affecting an accent isn't going to trick anyone into thinking you're intellectual.
#30 Jul 11 2011 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not sure I've ever been to a craft fair or flea market in my life. What kind of jewelry is she selling? $5, $50, $500? I have no idea how much money these people make, and so if hobbyists are eking out $500 annually then I don't see it being a worthwhile idea to make an LLC.
#31 Jul 11 2011 at 4:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not sure I've ever been to a craft fair or flea market in my life. What kind of jewelry is she selling? $5, $50, $500? I have no idea how much money these people make, and so if hobbyists are eking out $500 annually then I don't see it being a worthwhile idea to make an LLC.
Agreed. It's going to completely come down to sales and as Belkira said, she can switch later on. I guess my point, which I should have clarified, is that as soon as it's financially viable, reducing your personal liability from the enterprise is a very smart move. Especially in your sue happy society.


Edited, Jul 11th 2011 8:00pm by Uglysasquatch
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#32 Jul 11 2011 at 5:38 PM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:
I'm not sure I've ever been to a craft fair or flea market in my life. What kind of jewelry is she selling? $5, $50, $500? I have no idea how much money these people make, and so if hobbyists are eking out $500 annually then I don't see it being a worthwhile idea to make an LLC.



I price the pieces of jewelry on the cost of materials and time they take to create with as much market up as the customers I catering to can afford.

I plan on showing my work at more then just craft fairs, and local events, as there are many place that will sell on commission, jewelry such as I'm making, as well as Esty.com on the internet. We're talking necklaces that can sell in the $ 30 to $80 range easily. I have several that are priced lower due to the fact that I had to use chip beads instead of higher grade gemstones. Profits right now are going to go for higher quality beads and metals for metal smith work in copper and hopefully silver before the year is out. I want to take some refresher courses before I work with gold and platinum. My work is individually different in a style of my own that got a lot of raves from not just friends but strangers I meet at social functions and stores. Not to mention a few people who would love to buy something, but I know can't afford to cover the cost each piece of jewelry costs me to make.
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#33 Jul 11 2011 at 5:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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inlarge picture of my metal work. Tree was cut out free hand. Actual size was that of an extra large egg

Edited, Jul 11th 2011 7:59pm by ElneClare
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#34REDACTED, Posted: Jul 11 2011 at 8:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Now which accent would that be?
#35 Jul 12 2011 at 12:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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ElneClare wrote:
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inlarge picture of my metal work. Tree was cut out free hand. Actual size was that of an extra large egg


Neat looking!

Assuming I actually get the last piece of the top plate for my mill and finally get that mounted, I'll be able to cut metal doodads and whatsits here fairly soon, theoretically. A few people around here I know are looking for interesting decorative metal thingies for projects such as that. I plan on making a handful of semi unique super intricate thingies, and then faux-age them using acid.
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#36 Jul 12 2011 at 6:09 AM Rating: Good
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Tree was cut out free hand. Actual size was that of an extra large egg


Neat looking!

Assuming I actually get the last piece of the top plate for my mill and finally get that mounted, I'll be able to cut metal doodads and whatsits here fairly soon, theoretically. A few people around here I know are looking for interesting decorative metal thingies for projects such as that. I plan on making a handful of semi unique super intricate thingies, and then faux-age them using acid. [/quote]

Part of the value people placed on the tree was that it was saw out free hand with a jewelers saw. The machine milled items are very nice, but lose some of the emotion appeal of something that is made by hand. I use Cider vinegar or lemon juice, instead of stronger acids for aging and pickle.
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#37 Jul 12 2011 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not too sure of the finer details either. The impression I got about the two is that even if you don't co-mingle funds for a sole proprietorship, it still counts as "your" money, whereas LLC you'd at least be able to keep the funds separate. Would be interesting what someone who actually has experience about the two has to say.


LLC's protect your personal assets against lawsuit happy money grubbing ambulance chasing leaches known as attorneys. I'd say a few hundred bucks is worth it.




Edited, Jul 12th 2011 9:24am by varusword75
#38 Jul 12 2011 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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Rava,

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I'm not too sure of the finer details either. The impression I got about the two is that even if you don't co-mingle funds for a sole proprietorship, it still counts as "your" money, whereas LLC you'd at least be able to keep the funds separate. Would be interesting what someone who actually has experience about the two has to say.


LLC's protect your personal assets against lawsuit happy money grubbing ambulance chasing leaches known as attorneys. I'd say a few hundred bucks is worth it.




Edited, Jul 12th 2011 9:24am by varusword75


Generally, if you live in a state where there are community property laws, a community interest will always inure to the spouse's benefit, unless the spouse disclaims any interest in that property or the the property was bought with separate property funds (inheritance, money you had prior to marriage, etc.).

LLCs, corporations and limited partnerships will only ensure that your personal assets are kept separate from your business assets so long as you maintain the business formalities that are required by law. And even then, any attorney will throw in alter ego liability because then it will be up to you to prove that you didn't commingle funds or property. That's why insurance and bonds are so important, depending on your line of business.

Elne, do not just check with just Social Security on what rules you need to follow, check local, county and state laws as well. There are thousands of resources that you can pull information from, and for a small side business, best bet to start with is with the Small Business Administration. They have checklists that you can use to see if you're complying with everything. It's better to be proactive instead of finding that you're not compliant with some arcane rule that you didn't know about because the penalties and fees can be horrendous to correct a deficiency, particularly now almost every government agency on every level is grappling with a budget issue.


Edited, Jul 13th 2011 9:30am by Thumbelyna
#39 Jul 12 2011 at 4:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thumbelyna Quick Hands wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Rava,

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I'm not too sure of the finer details either. The impression I got about the two is that even if you don't co-mingle funds for a sole proprietorship, it still counts as "your" money, whereas LLC you'd at least be able to keep the funds separate. Would be interesting what someone who actually has experience about the two has to say.


LLC's protect your personal assets against lawsuit happy money grubbing ambulance chasing leaches known as attorneys. I'd say a few hundred bucks is worth it.




Edited, Jul 12th 2011 9:24am by varusword75


Generally, if you live in a state where there are community property laws, a community interest will always inure to the spouse's benefit, unless the spouse disclaims any interest in that property or the the property was bought with separate property funds (inheritance, money you had prior to marriage, etc.).

LLCs, corporations and limited partnerships will only ensure that your personal assets are kept separate from your business assets so long as you maintain the business formalities that are required by law. And even then, any attorney will throw in alter ego liability because then it will be up to you to prove that you didn't commingle funds or property. That's why insurance and bonds are so important, depending on your line of business.

Elne, do not check with just Social Security on what rules you need to follow, check local, county and state laws as well. There are thousands of resources that you can pull information from, and for a small side business, best bet to start with is with the Small Business Administration. They have checklists that you can use to see if you're complying with everything. It's better to be proactive instead of finding that you're not compliant with some arcane rule that you didn't know about because the penalties and fees can be horrendous to correct a deficiency, particularly now almost every government agency on every level is grappling with a budget issue.

Her checking with SS is more about how much she can earn and not lose benefits more than anything else. Having had a parent go through that mess, she should definitely get SS nailed down.
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#40 Jul 13 2011 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
Also, if you're receiving disability, that doesn't mean you can't work at all. Just that you can't work enough to sustain yourself.
#41 Jul 13 2011 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Oops. Had to edit my post for dropped word. I meant that you need to check every governmental agency possible, not just the SSA. Thanks, Kastigir for catching that.
#42 Jul 14 2011 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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Well I made a start on my Etsy site and so far got 3 items up for sale. These take me longer to post then I like since I have to do all the writing myself and hope the Elnese isn't too bad. I'll try to get more up today as long as my hands hold up. Hands are getting red from typing and don't know how much longer I'll be able to type.
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#43 Jul 14 2011 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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Also, if you're receiving disability, that doesn't mean you can't work at all. Just that you can't work enough to sustain yourself.

No, it means you may not work enough to sustain yourself, even if you can, which is the problem.
#44 Jul 14 2011 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Also, if you're receiving disability, that doesn't mean you can't work at all. Just that you can't work enough to sustain yourself.

No, it means you may not work enough to sustain yourself, even if you can, which is the problem.


I agree Moe, I know if I could work and make enough to cover all my medical bills each month, I wouldn't be on disability at all. It's the cost of health care that limits, what I can do to be independent of needing any help from the government. If I knew I could make enough to get off SSI, I would jump at the chance without worry.
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#45REDACTED, Posted: Jul 14 2011 at 11:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elne,
#46 Jul 15 2011 at 10:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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I took the liberty of editing your Etsy profile. Feel free to copypaste:

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I'm an artist who has focused on needlecraft and jewelry for several years to fill my days. I have been making things by hand since I was a child, even working without a pattern after I learned the techniques of various crafts and artistic skills. I love earthy elements in my work and use the world around me for inspiration. Living with chronic pain, my jewelry and metal work has kept me from depression and lets me forget the pain for hours each day.


I hope you don't mind. Thought it would help your page look more professional.

Edited, Jul 15th 2011 11:21am by AshOnMyTomatoes
#47 Jul 15 2011 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
I took the liberty of editing your Etsy profile. Feel free to copypaste:

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I'm an artist who has focused on needlecraft and jewelry for several years to fill my days. I have been making things by hand since I was a child, even working without a pattern after I learned the techniques of various crafts and artistic skills. I love earthy elements in my work and use the world around me for inspiration. Living with chronic pain, my jewelry and metal work has kept me from depression and lets me forget the pain for hours each day.


I hope you don't mind. Thought it would help your page look more professional.

Edited, Jul 15th 2011 11:21am by AshOnMyTomatoes


Thank you it's been copied and pasted.
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