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#52REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 09 2011 at 5:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm surprised you idiots can manage a keyboard, honestly.
Except we aren't talking about theft, we're discussing stealing, which isn't a legal concept but a layman's term.
#54REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 09 2011 at 5:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's a cool backtrack bro. Especially considering that this is a thread about a piracy law, and that stealing is the act of theft.
There needs to be a "godwin's law" for pointless semantics arguments.
Really though, if you're going to try and look "clever" (ie obnoxious) by engaging in this kind of nonsense, you might want to double check and make sure you're actually right:
SCotUS, 13 January 2009 wrote:
Prior to the passage of the Revised Penal Code on December 8, 1930, the definition of the term "personal property" in the penal code provision on theft had been established in Philippine jurisprudence. This Court, in United States v. Genato, United States v. Carlos, and United States v. Tambunting, consistently ruled that any personal property, tangible or intangible, corporeal or incorporeal, capable of appropriation can be the object of theft
'cus, you know, if you got all arrogant and whiny and insulted everyone using a tissue thin argument to attempt to cover your ***, and then it turned out just the opposite was true, you might end up looking pretty silly.
Just an FYI
Just an FYI
Hey nonwto, what do you call cheese that isn't yours ?
STOLEN
STOLEN
Might want to actually read the whole thing nonwto. He was found guilty of copyright infringement. He wasn't found guilty of "transporting stolen goods" as he didn't back a truck up to a warehouse and steal the records, him and a friend produced them.
What they made wasn't "stolen" ( the physical products) but all of them were 100% illegal. Selling them was also illegal. Trying to muddy up something so simple with a million tangents in the hope that there will be one slim shard to grasp onto to bolster your case is sad...and annoying.
Nothing personal, just saying. Everyone knows it's stealing, everyone knows that everyone is guilty.
What they made wasn't "stolen" ( the physical products) but all of them were 100% illegal. Selling them was also illegal. Trying to muddy up something so simple with a million tangents in the hope that there will be one slim shard to grasp onto to bolster your case is sad...and annoying.
Nothing personal, just saying. Everyone knows it's stealing, everyone knows that everyone is guilty.
Never regret.To regret is to assume.
#61REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 09 2011 at 6:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You do realize I never claimed it was legal, right? You seem to be arguing against a point that I wasn't making.
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You do realize I never claimed it was legal, right? You seem to be arguing against a point that I wasn't making.
It isn't legal because copyright infringement is stealing. Being as you're hung up on the word "copy", I'll play along. Making a "copy" of something you own isn't theft, but once you distribute it in anyway that denies the actual owner income, that equals theft.
Never regret.To regret is to assume.
#63REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 09 2011 at 7:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, you could certainly call it that. It doesn't fit the meaning of the word in any sense and is totally wrong, but you can certainly misuse that word as much as you want.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal
2.
to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.
Seems to fit a valid definition to me. Just because it's not something physical and the owner isn't denied something physical, doesn't mean it's not stealing. You seem caught up on the tangibility of the stolen item, rather than the fact that it's a form of property that belongs to someone else that you are taking without permission.
2.
to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.
Seems to fit a valid definition to me. Just because it's not something physical and the owner isn't denied something physical, doesn't mean it's not stealing. You seem caught up on the tangibility of the stolen item, rather than the fact that it's a form of property that belongs to someone else that you are taking without permission.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
#65REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 09 2011 at 7:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) tr.v. (-t) ap·pro·pri·at·ed, ap·pro·pri·at·ing, ap·pro·pri·ates
nonwto wrote:
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2. to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#67REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 09 2011 at 7:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nobody asked you, fatty. Besides, that definition conflicts with legal precedent, which is the matter at hand.
The matter at hand, as was explained to you once already, is the meaning in layman's terms. But you're free to continue pretending that you have the moral high ground. Those who have never produced anything of value rarely understand what it means to steal from others.
#69REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 09 2011 at 8:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh my, aren't you haughty and nigh illiterate. I've already rebuffed the matter of laymen's terms. They're subjective and irrelevant to a legal matter.'
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Besides, that definition conflicts with legal precedent
No it doesn't. If it did, why would anyone bother to legally protect their songs with copyrights? Or their ideas with patents? Or.. you know what? nevermind. I've fallen for your bait twice already.
Never regret.To regret is to assume.
Are you really this scared shizless of being wrong about one minor issue with a bunch of strangers on the internet? You don't even care how you are right, just that you're right. First it's "ok it might be stealing, but they deserve it," then "it's logically the same as loaning a movie," and then "it's not theft, which is kinda like stealing!"
You want so badly to be right about this now that you'll shotgun everything you can google, but you clearly didn't have a clue at the start about why you thought it was right.
You want so badly to be right about this now that you'll shotgun everything you can google, but you clearly didn't have a clue at the start about why you thought it was right.
#72REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 09 2011 at 8:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Denying someone potential income doesn't equate to theft. Even if it does, the whole concept hinges on the idea that the person buying the bootlegged or duplicated materials would have paid the copyright holder for them if the bootleg wasn't available. Hardly a solid case.
#73REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 09 2011 at 8:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Totally bro, I'm a slave to my ego. You've yet to actually refute the argument, though.
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It's funny that you should imply I'm a troll now that you've backed yourself into a corner.
What corner? Sadly, this fits everything else you've said so far. You seem to be missing the fact that simply saying something doesn't make it so. You're tying to change definitions and structure the debate to fit your misconceptions.
It's not gonna happen. The long time posters here are pros, you're out of your league. You do however get points for suckering my dumb *** into replying again. Then again, that's no real feat, I'm just killing time whilst drunk.
Never regret.To regret is to assume.
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You're stealing content. Whatever circumstances may surround it, it is stealing. I'm far from moral on this issue, but I do hate to see people deluding themselves.
We've already had this conversation, but it isn't. It's copyright infringement.
Since it's become an issue, I thought I'd link what I found to be a fairly astute blog post on the subject by a copyright lawyer.
http://www.copyhype.com/2010/09/is-copyright-infringement-theft/
http://www.copyhype.com/2010/09/is-copyright-infringement-theft/
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