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#127 Jul 14 2011 at 2:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gbaji's amusing ideas about marriage and the law aside...

Bachmann recently left the church where she was a long time parishioner. A church that teaches that the pope is the antichrist Smiley: laugh
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Bachmann was a longtime member of the Salem Evangelical Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minn., which belongs to the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS), a council of churches founded in 1850 that today comprises about 400,000 people. WELS is the most conservative of the major Lutheran church organizations, known for its strict adherence to the writings of Martin Luther, the German theologian who broke with the Catholic Church and launched the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. This includes endorsing Luther's statements about the papacy. From the WELS "Doctrinal Statement on the Antichrist":

Since Scripture teaches that the Antichrist would be revealed and gives the marks by which the Antichrist is to be recognized, and since this prophecy has been clearly fulfilled in the history and development of the Roman Papacy, it is Scripture which reveals that the Papacy is the Antichrist.
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Hochmuth also revealed that Bachmann is no longer a member of the WELS congregation. "I do know that she has requested a release of her membership," he said, adding that she took the unusual step of formally requesting that release in writing.
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#128 Jul 14 2011 at 2:55 PM Rating: Default
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So now we're supposed to condemn everyone who is Lutheran? Apparently, I missed a memo.
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#129 Jul 14 2011 at 3:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Missed an article too, since it expressly mentions only one branch of Lutheranism, which espouses this. But then, you're not getting your news from anywhere -- and it shows!
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She remembers what happened to Obama regarding Jeremiah Wright very well.

Last thing she needs is a video-taped recording of the preacher at her church going on about That Satan, the Pope, and his Satanic Church, the ***** of Babylon, the Cathy-licks.
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#131 Jul 14 2011 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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It may be amusing, but honestly it's pretty easy to go to a church for your entire life and have no idea what some of the crazier parts of your denomination's theology are. Association alone is pretty meaningless as an indicator of anything.

Edited, Jul 14th 2011 5:00pm by Allegory
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#132 Jul 14 2011 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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Irrelevant. Federal recognition of marriage *is* about determining whether the federal government will provide you benefits. That's all it is. You get that, right? That's what the "recognition" part of that is. In the same way that the federal government recognizing that you are disabled qualifies you for medicare. You didn't become disabled because the government recognized it. You were disabled before and then the government recognized that your disability qualifies you for a set of government benefits.

It's just shocking that you guys can't see the difference between those things.


Not really. It's hard for intelligent people to see differences that don't exist. Marriage and those rights/benefits are intrinsically linked. Our society does not value marriages that have not been legally sanctioned. Straight couples get away with that not being well-known in a social setting, but that's not possible for gay couples.

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And even if they didn't want those benefits much at all, they'd still fight for them. Because oppression and injustice shouldn't be something you just stand by and let happen when you see it. And they CERTAINLY shouldn't be something you FIGHT for.


How does not getting something qualify as oppression? Bit of hyperbole, isn't it?


Being denied something based on your social class is oppression. If everyone else gets it and you don't, and that's the only reason why, you have had your power stripped from you. This is a perfect instance of gov't oppression of ***** peoples, just as it was a perfect example of oppression within the context of interracial marriages.

I know this is a difficult concept for you. The only way you could vote conservatively is if you don't get oppression or just don't care.

By this logic, separate but equal wasn't oppression.
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It may be amusing, but honestly it's pretty easy to go to a church for your entire life and have no idea what some of the crazier parts of your denomination's theology are. Association alone is pretty meaningless as an indicator of anything.


On the other hand, is it really that hard to believe that she would willingly go to a church that hates other social groups? I'd agree that association isn't a good indicator, but it isn't an awful one when combined with all the other knowledge of what a cow she is...
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#134 Jul 14 2011 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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On the other hand, is it really that hard to believe that she would willingly go to a church that hates other social groups?

"it's pretty easy to go to a church for your entire life and have no idea what some of the crazier parts of your denomination's theology are."

Church services tend to have sermons on fairly generic issues.
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Allegory wrote:
It may be amusing, but honestly it's pretty easy to go to a church for your entire life and have no idea what some of the crazier parts of your denomination's theology are. Association alone is pretty meaningless as an indicator of anything.

She sat in those pews for (a buncha) years! She might have brought her 317 kids! How do we know they haven't been indoctrinated by hate speech?!!?!
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Allegory wrote:
Church services tend to have sermons on fairly generic issues.

This is a woman who has a clinic trying to pray the gay out of people (with Medicare dollars). I think it's safe to say she's not some naive Christmas/Easter parishioner.
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Church services tend to have sermons on fairly generic issues.

This is a woman who has a clinic trying to pray the gay out of people (with Medicare dollars). I think it's safe to say she's not some naive Christmas/Easter parishioner.

I'm just going off of my experiences, which coincidentally are of as a member of the Lutheran Missouri Synod. I'm pretty much the opposite of devout, but I can't say I could tell you what the doctrinal differences are between LMS and any other synod without using Google.

The Pope being the antichrist may be a part of their doctrine, but I can't see it being mentioned in many sermons.
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[quote-Allegory]Church services tend to have sermons on fairly generic issues.[/quote]

You'd be surprised. "Generic" is a relative term. Do sermons tend to discuss intricate facts about theology, like how to rectify creation, god's plan, omniscience, omnipotence and free will? Hell no.

But idolatry and such? Yeah, I'm betting something like that would come up.

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Church services tend to have sermons on fairly generic issues.

This is a woman who has a clinic trying to pray the gay out of people (with Medicare dollars). I think it's safe to say she's not some naive Christmas/Easter parishioner.


Pretty much this.
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I'm pretty much the opposite of devout

She would be the opposite of the opposite of devout.
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#140 Jul 14 2011 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't quite understand that comment.
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I'm thinking it means:

[Bachmann] would be [devout].

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AKA, the kind of person that has talks with the pastor about stuff. The kind of talks where "Catholics are evil" might be a topic.

Edited, Jul 14th 2011 6:46pm by idiggory
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I don't quite understand that comment.

That your personal experiences as a layperson in the church* would not be representative of a devout member who goes so far as to own a clinic where they attempt to "heal" homosexuals with prayer.


*Actually I have no idea if the Missouri and Wisconsin synods have similar doctrines in this respect.

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I can't offer anything more than speculation. The sermons I hear, attending regularly, pretty much never cover anything too controversial. I have less experience with church extracurricular, so if that's the venue for nitty gritty discussion it wouldn't surprise me.
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She remembers what happened to Obama regarding Jeremiah Wright very well.

Last thing she needs is a video-taped recording of the preacher at her church going on about That Satan, the Pope, and his Satanic Church, the ***** of Babylon, the Cathy-licks.


Leaving the church now wont mean anything. If anything it supports the fact that she supports whatever is being said and is only leaving to avoid conflict. Unless something happened recently, staying there and playing ignorant would be the better option.

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I never did see gbaji's response to the overtly Christian Dr. Bachmann taking tax dollars for religious means. I would like to see his opinion on that very much.

gbaji, would you please give your honest opinion on that situation?
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I never did see gbaji's response to the overtly Christian Dr. Bachmann taking tax dollars for religious means. I would like to see his opinion on that very much.

gbaji, would you please give your honest opinion on that situation?


Educate me. Is that even authorized?
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I never did see gbaji's response to the overtly Christian Dr. Bachmann taking tax dollars for religious means

It was to deny that anyone could show that Dr. Bachmann was actually improperly using any of that government cash for religious practices in that Medicare funded clinic.

The irony didn't escape me.
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I never did see gbaji's response to the overtly Christian Dr. Bachmann taking tax dollars for religious means

It was to deny that anyone could show that Dr. Bachmann was actually improperly using any of that government cash for religious practices in that Medicare funded clinic.

The irony didn't escape me.


At least the money wasn't going to Planned Parenthood so they could kill babies. All the babies.
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#149 Jul 15 2011 at 6:27 AM Rating: Default
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I never did see gbaji's response to the overtly Christian Dr. Bachmann taking tax dollars for religious means

It was to deny that anyone could show that Dr. Bachmann was actually improperly using any of that government cash for religious practices in that Medicare funded clinic.

The irony didn't escape me.


The irony works both ways...

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At least the money wasn't going to Planned Parenthood so they could kill babies. All the babies.


Well, I'm consistent. I don't support either.

Edit: Assuming that it's for religious practices, i.e. from a church, and not just practices supported by a non religious organization.

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Almalieque wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I never did see gbaji's response to the overtly Christian Dr. Bachmann taking tax dollars for religious means

It was to deny that anyone could show that Dr. Bachmann was actually improperly using any of that government cash for religious practices in that Medicare funded clinic.

The irony didn't escape me.


The irony works both ways...
Mistaking posters again?
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I never did see gbaji's response to the overtly Christian Dr. Bachmann taking tax dollars for religious means

It was to deny that anyone could show that Dr. Bachmann was actually improperly using any of that government cash for religious practices in that Medicare funded clinic.

The irony didn't escape me.


The irony works both ways...
Mistaking posters again?


No, it was a general comment.
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