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#1 Jul 06 2011 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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Michelle Bachmann's husband, Marcus Bachmann, received his PhD in psychology from a mail order institution that is not accredited by the American Psychological Association. There is also some concern he is "treating" gay people:

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He is a major focal point of the Dump Bachmann blog, created by the former head of a local gay Republican group that has become the go-to archive for all things negative about the congresswoman. In 2006, City Pages, a Minneapolis alternative weekly, reported on a 2005 presentation that Dr. Bachmann delivered at the Grace Church in Eden Prairie titled "The Truth About the Homosexual Agenda," during which he introduced three people as "former homosexuals" as proof that sexual orientation is a choice. That same article also reported that Bachmann & Associates, the Christian counseling center he runs, practiced "reparative therapy," a method of converting homosexuals to heterosexuality often called "praying away the gay."


And they've taken over $100K in Medicare, to boot.

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Inside Bachmann & Associates, a receptionist stacks books titled "Fighting for Your Marriage" near framed Bible verses and cards listing payment options. The center has received more than $100,000 in Medicaid payments over the years. On the registry of national Medicare and Medicaid providers, Dr. Bachmann is listed as a psychologist but without a license number. There are more than a dozen counselors working at the clinic's two locations whose certifications are included in the registry. Dr. Bachmann is not currently licensed by Minnesota's mental health or family therapy boards. Minnesota law allows unlicensed mental health professionals to practice.


If Michelle Bachman is really dedicated to eliminating wasteful spending, she should start at home and prevent unlicensed doctors from being able to take taxpayer dollars, especially for unproven therapies that don't work.
#2 Jul 06 2011 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
It seems the only benefit to modern elections is exposing the illicit dealings of the upper classes.
#3 Jul 06 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Minnesota law allows unlicensed mental health professionals to practice.


Seriously?
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#4 Jul 06 2011 at 3:43 PM Rating: Default
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catwho wrote:
If Michelle Bachman is really dedicated to eliminating wasteful spending, she should start at home and prevent unlicensed doctors from being able to take taxpayer dollars, especially for unproven therapies that don't work.


And if <insert liberal politician/pundit here> is really dedicated to eliminating tax deductions for the rich, they should just donate more of their money to the government and not take any of those tax deductions.

It's a bogus argument. It's always a bogus argument, no matter which direction it's going.
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#5 Jul 06 2011 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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Minnesota law allows unlicensed mental health professionals to practice.


Seriously?


I know, right?

I don't mind quack psychologists practicing some unaccredited form of therapy - "spiritual leaders" such as preachers and priests have been doing that for centuries. I do mind when taxpayer dollars are going for it, just as much as I would mind is taxpayer dollars were going to fund "crystal healing" therapy or some similar new age junk. (Except yoga; yoga has proven mental and physical health benefits that have nothing to do with religion.) And I especially mind when the quack psychologist taking taxpayer dollars is the spouse of someone decrying "socialist welfare programs" as "wasteful spending."

Husband's reaction: "Well, Ayn Rand was on the dole."
#6 Jul 06 2011 at 4:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's a bogus argument. It's always a bogus argument, no matter which direction it's going.

Well, the difference being that someone not donating additional income to the government isn't an act of corruption, whereas someone not cutting ineffective government programs that personally benefit them is an act of corruption. That is with the assumption that the details of this situation are accurate as described in Catwho's link.
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gbaji wrote:
It's a bogus argument. It's always a bogus argument, no matter which direction it's going.

Well, the difference being that someone not donating additional income to the government isn't an act of corruption, whereas someone not cutting ineffective government programs that personally benefit them is an act of corruption. That is with the assumption that the details of this situation are accurate as described in Catwho's link.


In both cases, someone is arguing politically for eliminating something which they themselves benefit from. I'm not sure how taking a tax deduction that you believe shouldn't be a legitimate tax deduction is any less "corrupt" than taking grant money from a government program you don't think should exist. This is doubly so if you demonize "the rich" for opposing said tax deductions, right?

And I'm not up on Bachmann's whole platform, but has she actually advocated eliminating medicare?
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#8 Jul 06 2011 at 4:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Seriously?
They nominated Jesse "The Body" Ventura as governor. They need all the mental health professionals to practice as they can get.
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#9 Jul 06 2011 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
catwho wrote:
If Michelle Bachman is really dedicated to eliminating wasteful spending, she should start at home and prevent unlicensed doctors from being able to take taxpayer dollars, especially for unproven therapies that don't work.


And if <insert liberal politician/pundit here> is really dedicated to eliminating tax deductions for the rich, they should just donate more of their money to the government and not take any of those tax deductions.

It's a bogus argument. It's always a bogus argument, no matter which direction it's going.


Because defrauding Medicare is the same as not donating your money to the government? Are you the product of an incestuous union or something?

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idiggory wrote:
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Minnesota law allows unlicensed mental health professionals to practice.
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They nominated Jesse "The Body" Ventura as governor. They need all the mental health professionals to practice as they can get.


I believe he was generally considered to have done a decent job. He did an interview with Piers Morgan that's worth watching.
#10 Jul 06 2011 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
catwho wrote:
If Michelle Bachman is really dedicated to eliminating wasteful spending, she should start at home and prevent unlicensed doctors from being able to take taxpayer dollars, especially for unproven therapies that don't work.


And if <insert liberal politician/pundit here> is really dedicated to eliminating tax deductions for the rich, they should just donate more of their money to the government and not take any of those tax deductions.

It's a bogus argument. It's always a bogus argument, no matter which direction it's going.


Because defrauding Medicare is the same as not donating your money to the government? Are you the product of an incestuous union or something?


Where was it determined that she was "defrauding medicare"? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that they qualified for the medicare payouts they received, just like any other health care facility might. If you think medicare should be reformed so that whatever type of care they provided for which they received medicare payouts can't be allowed anymore, you're free to make that argument. I suspect you might want to start by actually finding out what services they provided which qualified for medicare in the first place, right?


I'm going to go out on another limb and assume that you have no clue what services they got medicare payouts for. So how about you cool the whole "OMG! They defrauded medicare!!!" rhetoric, ok?
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#11 Jul 06 2011 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
gbaji wrote:
nonwto wrote:
gbaji wrote:
catwho wrote:
If Michelle Bachman is really dedicated to eliminating wasteful spending, she should start at home and prevent unlicensed doctors from being able to take taxpayer dollars, especially for unproven therapies that don't work.


And if <insert liberal politician/pundit here> is really dedicated to eliminating tax deductions for the rich, they should just donate more of their money to the government and not take any of those tax deductions.

It's a bogus argument. It's always a bogus argument, no matter which direction it's going.


Because defrauding Medicare is the same as not donating your money to the government? Are you the product of an incestuous union or something?


Where was it determined that she was "defrauding medicare"


Where exactly did anyone claim she was, you knee-jerk reactionary nitwit? We're talking about her husband here. It's just a coincidence that she was probably complicit in it. You should pay less attention to your imagined librul conspiracies and focus on the matter at hand. I am, in fact, wholly more conservative than you are.

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I suspect you might want to start by actually finding out what services they provided which qualified for medicare in the first place, right?


It's stated in the article. A "pray the gay away" program. This is not a medical matter. Praying is not a treatment, it's superstitious nonsense. Homosexuality isn't an illness, it's a perversion. Bachmann's husband isn't a doctor, he's a zealot pretending to be. While what he's done may not violate the letter of the law, it violates the spirit of it. Medicare is meant to provide healthcare. As we've already established, praying the gay away is not healthcare. The only place this practice belongs is in the shadows with the other antiquated cult rituals.

While this may well not fit the legal definition of fraud, it quintessentially is. It's being committed against the taxpayers themselves. Simple as.
#12 Jul 06 2011 at 7:56 PM Rating: Decent
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nonwto wrote:
gbaji wrote:
nonwto wrote:


Because defrauding Medicare is the same as not donating your money to the government? Are you the product of an incestuous union or something?


Where was it determined that she was "defrauding medicare"


Where exactly did anyone claim she was, you knee-jerk reactionary nitwit? We're talking about her husband here.


Ok. Where was it determined that he was "defrauding medicare"?

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I suspect you might want to start by actually finding out what services they provided which qualified for medicare in the first place, right?


It's stated in the article. A "pray the gay away" program.


No. It's stated that he (her husband) was involved in such activities, but doesn't specifically state that the agency he works for provides that as a service, much less that they were paid by medicare for providing that service.

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This is not a medical matter.


And no where is it stated that medicare dollars were received for that reason.


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Praying is not a treatment, it's superstitious nonsense. Homosexuality isn't an illness, it's a perversion. Bachmann's husband isn't a doctor, he's a zealot pretending to be. While what he's done may not violate the letter of the law, it violates the spirit of it. Medicare is meant to provide healthcare. As we've already established, praying the gay away is not healthcare. The only place this practice belongs is in the shadows with the other antiquated cult rituals.


Yup. None of which addresses the reason the medicare dollars were received, much less that said dollars were received as a result of any sort of fraud. Do you know what the dollars were for? Did you bother to find out? Or did you just go "RAR! They try to pray away the gay, so therefore nothing else they do is allowed to qualify for medicare!"

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While this may well not fit the legal definition of fraud, it quintessentially is. It's being committed against the taxpayers themselves. Simple as.


Ah. So it doesn't meet the legal definition of fraud, but you'll call it that anyway because... well... you don't like the people. I get it. Let's just not pretend that there's anything more to this than "A man on my TV told me to hate the Bachmann's, so I'm going to attack them on even the most ridiculous pretense".

I'm not a huge fan of Bachmann, but can you at least make your criticisms make a damn bit of sense? Isn't it enough to just say that she's married to some loony toon guy who thinks you can pray away the gay, and that enough of that must have rubbed off on her to mean that she shouldn't be president? I mean, isn't the whole "I don't agree with her positions on X, Y, and Z" enough? At least those are reasonable rational reasons to oppose someone's run for president. But to invent wild claims of fraud for no apparent reason?

All you're doing is making yourself out to be just as crazy as you're attempting to make those you criticize out to be.

Edited, Jul 6th 2011 7:00pm by gbaji
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#13 Jul 06 2011 at 8:07 PM Rating: Excellent
No, I'm saying that since he doesn't have a license to practice psychology in the state, nor accreditation from the APA, nothing he does is qualified to receive Medicare. I don't care if he's treating Alzheimer's or erectile dysfunction, no doctor should receive taxpayer money if they're not licensed to practice.
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No, I'm saying that since he doesn't have a license to practice psychology in the state, nor accreditation from the APA, nothing he does is qualified to receive Medicare. I don't care if he's treating Alzheimer's or erectile dysfunction, no doctor should receive taxpayer money if they're not licensed to practice.


Unless you have some source other than the one you linked, we have no information about how many other people work at the agency, what credentials and/or licenses they hold, what other care is provided by their agency, what care was refunded in some way by medicare, and what criteria medicare requires to receive that funding. You're just speculating about what must be required to receive those funds, and then speculating that said requirements weren't met. Heck. You're even speculating about what care those funds were received for.
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#15REDACTED, Posted: Jul 06 2011 at 8:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Fair enough, I'll concede the fraud point. You're right, there's no solid evidence of it. It was only strongly implied in the OP (it's all his fault). However, it doesn't really matter. Bachmann isn't fit to hold office, and the fact she has any power now is in itself a strong argument against democracy.
#16 Jul 06 2011 at 9:17 PM Rating: Excellent
Isn't it cute how Gbaji always goes to bat for the Pubbies.
#17 Jul 06 2011 at 11:50 PM Rating: Good
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Isn't it cute how Gbaji always goes to bat for the Pubbies.

I was going to go with "sad", but "cute" works in a patronizing way I suppose.
#18 Jul 07 2011 at 6:39 AM Rating: Good
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My points of contention with a politician is typically with the politician and their platform.

What's with the witchhunt?


Edited, Jul 7th 2011 3:32pm by Elinda
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#19REDACTED, Posted: Jul 07 2011 at 7:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah liberals are terrified of Bachmann, we get this. Remind me again what Mrs. Obama did for a living?
#20 Jul 07 2011 at 7:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Remind me again what Mrs. Obama did for a living?

You don't know? You should look into it and make a real point instead of just telling us all how ignorant you are.
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#21 Jul 07 2011 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah liberals are terrified of Bachmann, we get this. Remind me again what Mrs. Obama did for a living?
I think you've mentioned welfare, stealing, and whoring - not too mention she's fat and lazy. She probably has bad breath too.
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#22 Jul 07 2011 at 7:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sarah Palin is terrified of Congresswoman Bachmann as Bachmann is rapidly making the GOPrincess irrelevant. So there's that.
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#23 Jul 07 2011 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah liberals are terrified of Bachmann, we get this. Remind me again what Mrs. Obama did for a living?


IIRC Michelle Obama was on the board of directors for a very large hospital, and resigned her job when her husband was elected because of the probable conflicts of interest (and inability to easily commute from Washington to Chicago, although a lot of her work could have been done remotely.)

She graduated from Harvard Law and was licensed by the Illinois State Bar to practice.

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IIRC Michelle Obama was on the board of directors for a very large hospital

She was a public relations exec for... University of Chicago hospitals? She was a VP in her department; I don't know if she was on the board but she could have been for all I know. Or maybe she was by virtue of being a VP.
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#26 Jul 07 2011 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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catwho wrote:
IIRC Michelle Obama was on the board of directors for a very large hospital

She was a public relations exec for... University of Chicago hospitals? She was a VP in her department; I don't know if she was on the board but she could have been for all I know. Or maybe she was by virtue of being a VP.


That's probably it - she was both.

Either way, she DID undergo intense scrutiny for her job while Obama was a candidate, and in effect had to resign once he was elected. It's rather demeaning that a successful professional woman had to give up her career for the sake of her husband, but the reality is that being First Lady is a full time job anyway.
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