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#1 Jul 05 2011 at 12:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Casey Anthony: Murderer or victim?
Murderer:9 (20.5%)
Victim:3 (6.8%)
Probably guilty, but not beyond a reasonable doubt:32 (72.7%)
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Personally, I'm pretty surprised that she was given a not guilty verdict. I understand that most of the evidence was circumstantial, but like the prosecutor said in his closing statements, you don't make an accident look like a murder. That poor little child was murdered, and her mother lied about her whereabouts for 30 days afterwards, and then finally when she couldn't lie anymore gave the old "a **** stole my baby" defense. I believe, under Florida's law, she should have been given the death penalty and fried.

On the other hand, if her lawyer had put up an insanity plea from the beginning (instead of desperately trying to have her deemed incompetent 3/4s of the way through the trial), I probably would have bought it. There is a serious malfunction in a mother's brain that allows her to cause harm and murder her own child. She could have used the tried and true "Satan made my schizophrenic *** do it" line, and I would have bought that a hundred times more than "she accidentally died and my molester father made me hide the body".

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#2 Jul 05 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Somehow I'm not surprised. I'm going to go ahead and blame the excessive tabloid coverage and the stupidity of the average person.
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#3 Jul 05 2011 at 1:15 PM Rating: Excellent
You people f'ucking amaze me. You ****, whine, moan, and complain at the mere suspicion that an innocent man may be on death row, and when a court verdict doesn't match your esteemed pre-conceived notion after having heard news stories and read a couple of internet reports you find it within yourselves to ****, whine, moan, and complain about that, too.
#4 Jul 05 2011 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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And now for an endless barrage of reports on the appeals.
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#5 Jul 05 2011 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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#6 Jul 05 2011 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think she's probably guilty, but hey, I wasn't in that courtroom so I can't make the decision. What was the tack prosecutors were taking? I heard two things: she died in a pool accident, or she was suffocated by her mom in the trunk of a car for some reason. The second one sounded pretty iffy, as it had to do with chloroform and some search string that the grandmother actually performed?

Truth be told, I didn't even follow the case besides glancing at headlines and overhearing conversation; I wasn't quite sure why people found it so interesting. My parents were watching it every day; I'm sure they're pissed.

Edit: I should say, "I think she probably was negligent and let her child drown, then tried to cover it up." I don't think she committed pre-meditated murder... but again, I'd need to actually pay attention to the case.

Edited, Jul 5th 2011 3:23pm by LockeColeMA
#7 Jul 05 2011 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was trying to avoid watching much of this, but I did catch a good portion of the defenses closing arguments. Frankly, the defense did a great job taking the prosecution's circumstantial case apart. After watching that I was pretty much expecting a not-guilty result.
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#8 Jul 05 2011 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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#9 Jul 05 2011 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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I missed the entire trial. For what it's worth, my mother-in-law covered for me by watching every second of it.
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#10 Jul 05 2011 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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I never thought that the case was strong enough for a conviction for first degree murder. I thought there was enough to probably get aggravated manslaughter or possibly second degree.

But the case really was circumstantial at best. A lot of the evidence wasn't there and with some of the elements in each crime that have to be met, it was an uphill battle. And the defense did a good job of muddying the waters enough to cast reasonable doubt. There was no evidence on how or when Caylee died. And despite the mom's behavior in the month if Caylee's disappearance, that's not enough to convict in a court. But she's convicted in the court of public opinion.

The public will deride Casey Anthony for the rest of her life. She's a marked woman.
#11 Jul 05 2011 at 1:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know enough about the case to make a guilty/innocent verdict. Is she white and pretty?
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#12REDACTED, Posted: Jul 05 2011 at 1:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You people can't find anything better to do than follow a sensationalized, generic trial? This state is like the country's capital of child murders. Not to mention the various cases of child abuse and neglect, abduction, opiate addiction from birth, etc. There are substantial systemic issues and this aspect isn't vaguely notable. Get a brain, morans.
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You people can't find anything better to do than follow a sensationalized, generic trial? This state is like the country's capital of child murders. Not to mention the various cases of child abuse and neglect, abduction, opiate addiction from birth, etc. There are substantial systemic issues and this aspect isn't vaguely notable. Get a brain, morans.

And stop watching Nancy Grace for @#%^s sake.


I see that we've dropped all premise and are now just using the forum as a sounding board for non-specific hipster rants, eh?
#14 Jul 05 2011 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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You people f'ucking amaze me. You ****, whine, moan, and complain at the mere suspicion that an innocent man may be on death row, and when a court verdict doesn't match your esteemed pre-conceived notion after having heard news stories and read a couple of internet reports you find it within yourselves to ****, whine, moan, and complain about that, too.

What's with the 'you people' stuff. Only like two people posted above you and they weren't whining and moaning at all.

I think the kid died accidently. There was probably neglect of some sort involved, maybe even abuse. The mother, fearing the abuse charges tried to cover up the story.

But that's only what I think.

There's no hard evidence to convict her, nor do I think she presents a threat to society, though I hope she doesn't breed again anytime soon.

OJ was guiltier.
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#15 Jul 05 2011 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
You people f'ucking amaze me. You ****, whine, moan, and complain at the mere suspicion that an innocent man may be on death row, and when a court verdict doesn't match your esteemed pre-conceived notion after having heard news stories and read a couple of internet reports you find it within yourselves to ****, whine, moan, and complain about that, too.

What's with the 'you people' stuff. Only like two people posted above you and they weren't whining and moaning at all.

Unlike you, my sphere of people I come in contact with is not limited to ZAM.com. Only two people may have commented on it in your shut-in universe, but I've encountered a great many who fit the bill and fell in with what I was criticizing.
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
You people f'ucking amaze me. You ****, whine, moan, and complain at the mere suspicion that an innocent man may be on death row, and when a court verdict doesn't match your esteemed pre-conceived notion after having heard news stories and read a couple of internet reports you find it within yourselves to ****, whine, moan, and complain about that, too.

What's with the 'you people' stuff. Only like two people posted above you and they weren't whining and moaning at all.

Unlike you, my sphere of people I come in contact with is not limited to ZAM.com. Only two people may have commented on it in your shut-in universe, but I've encountered a great many who fit the bill and fell in with what I was criticizing.
I am shut-up in my stall for 15 more minutes. This is the first I heard about the verdict.

Still, go 'you-people' somewhere else. We're individuals here and expect to be treated as such.
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#17 Jul 05 2011 at 2:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think the kid died accidently. There was probably neglect of some sort involved, maybe even abuse. The mother, fearing the abuse charges tried to cover up the story.


Yeah. This is pretty much where I'm leaning as well. She may have been doing drugs or whatever, kid dies (drowns in pool even?). She panics because she doesn't want to get charged with endangerment, so she conceals the fact that her kid is dead. And the whole thing snowballs from there. A lot of the strange behavior she exhibited can be explained as denial (and would be the same regardless of how her kid died), so there's no proof of anything there.

And that's basically the case in a nutshell. The prosecution just couldn't rule out alternative explanations for the evidence and behavior. They certainly couldn't prove conclusively that it was murder. And the defense did an excellent job of highlighting that fact for the jury.
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#18REDACTED, Posted: Jul 05 2011 at 2:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's hardly non-specific. Calling people a hipster is just so hipster-ish. I guess reading comprehension is just too mainstream for you, right? The point is that this is not a newsworthy story. It's essentially emotional manipulational by the media, for ratings. This is hardly an undocumented thing. Stop being so feeble minded and spend your time on something productive. Or at least vaguely intelligent.
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Stop being so feeble minded and spend your time on something productive. Or at least vaguely intelligent.


He says while posting to an off topic forum on a gaming site.
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#20 Jul 05 2011 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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nonwto wrote:
Stop being so feeble minded and spend your time on something productive. Or at least vaguely intelligent.


Like Thoreau and Mein Kampf, amirite?
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#22 Jul 05 2011 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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go 'you-people' somewhere else. We're individuals here and expect to be treated as such.

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#23 Jul 05 2011 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Crossposting from my FB (like anyone gives a ****):

By far the most irritating part of the Casey Anthony verdict is all of the people ******** about how the justice system suddenly became unjust when they didn't get the outcome they wanted in a case that has zero impact on their lives.

Get over it.
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#24 Jul 05 2011 at 2:41 PM Rating: Default
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nonwto wrote:
Stop being so feeble minded and spend your time on something productive. Or at least vaguely intelligent.


Like Thoreau and Mein Kampf, amirite?


Yes, that's one of the many options.. You have some of issue with reading, bud? I can't say I'm surprised.

Edited, Jul 5th 2011 4:43pm by nonwto
#25 Jul 05 2011 at 2:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Crossposting from my FB (like anyone gives a sh*t):

By far the most irritating part of the Casey Anthony verdict is all of the people ******** about how the justice system suddenly became unjust when they didn't get the outcome they wanted in a case that has zero impact on their lives.

Get over it.


Well, that's part of the problem with society. I'm not big on court cases, but I think this happens in every nationally televised court case.

I'm just waiting for her new book. "If I had killed my daughter, this is how I would have done it".
#26 Jul 05 2011 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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You have some of issue with reading, bud? I can't say I'm surprised.


Just the clichéd drivel that you've apparently decided that you need to bring to the table. I get that you think you're some kind of edgy savant, but it just doesn't ring true.
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