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#1 Jul 02 2011 at 4:55 AM Rating: Default
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The topic my readers most want me to address is something called men’s rights. (See previous post.) This is a surprisingly good topic. It’s dangerous. It’s relevant. It isn’t overdone. And apparently you care.

Let’s start with the laundry list.

According to my readers, examples of unfair treatment of men include many elements of the legal system, the military draft in some cases, the lower life expectancies of men, the higher suicide rates for men, circumcision, and the growing number of government agencies that are primarily for women.

You might add to this list the entire area of manners. We take for granted that men should hold doors for women, and women should be served first in restaurants. Can you even imagine that situation in reverse?

Generally speaking, society discourages male behavior whereas female behavior is celebrated. Exceptions are the fields of sports, humor, and war. Men are allowed to do what they want in those areas.

Add to our list of inequities the fact that women have overtaken men in college attendance. If the situation were reversed it would be considered a national emergency.

How about the higher rates for car insurance that young men pay compared to young women? Statistics support this inequity, but I don’t think anyone believes the situation would be legal if women were charged more for car insurance, no matter what the statistics said.

Women will counter with their own list of wrongs, starting with the well-known statistic that women earn only 80 cents on the dollar, on average, compared to what men earn for the same jobs. My readers will argue that if any two groups of people act differently, on average, one group is likely to get better results. On average, men negotiate pay differently and approach risk differently than women.

Women will point out that few females are in top management jobs. Men will argue that if you ask a sample group of young men and young women if they would be willing to take the personal sacrifices needed to someday achieve such power, men are far more likely to say yes. In my personal non-scientific polling, men are about ten times more likely than women to trade family time for the highest level of career success.

Now I would like to speak directly to my male readers who feel unjustly treated by the widespread suppression of men’s rights:

Get over it, you bunch of pussies.

The reality is that women are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children and the mentally handicapped are treated differently. It’s just easier this way for everyone. You don’t argue with a four-year old about why he shouldn’t eat candy for dinner. You don’t punch a mentally handicapped guy even if he punches you first. And you don’t argue when a women tells you she’s only making 80 cents to your dollar. It’s the path of least resistance. You save your energy for more important battles.

How many times do we men suppress our natural instincts for sex and aggression just to get something better in the long run? It’s called a strategy. Sometimes you sacrifice a pawn to nail the queen. If you’re still crying about your pawn when you’re having your way with the queen, there’s something wrong with you and it isn’t men’s rights.

Fairness is an illusion. It’s unobtainable in the real world. I’m happy that I can open jars with my bare hands. I like being able to lift heavy objects. And I don’t mind that women get served first in restaurants because I don’t like staring at food that I can’t yet eat.

If you’re feeling unfairly treated because women outlive men, try visiting an Assisted Living facility and see how delighted the old ladies are about the extra ten years of pushing the walker around.  It makes dying look like a bargain.

I don’t like the fact that the legal system treats men more harshly than women. But part of being male is the automatic feeling of team. If someone on the team screws up, we all take the hit. Don’t kid yourself that men haven’t earned some harsh treatment from the legal system. On the plus side, if I’m trapped in a burning car someday, a man will be the one pulling me out. That’s the team I want to be on.

I realize I might take some heat for lumping women, children and the mentally handicapped in the same group. So I want to be perfectly clear. I’m not saying women are similar to either group. I’m saying that a man’s best strategy for dealing with each group is disturbingly similar. If he’s smart, he takes the path of least resistance most of the time, which involves considering the emotional realities of other people.  A man only digs in for a good fight on the few issues that matter to him, and for which he has some chance of winning. This is a strategy that men are uniquely suited for because, on average, we genuinely don’t care about 90% of what is happening around us.

I just did a little test to see if I knew what pajama bottoms I was wearing without looking. I failed.



Pretty well written and stuff. Makes some good points. Blah blah blah descriptor, descriptor, commentary
#2 Jul 02 2011 at 8:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pretty well written and stuff. Makes some good points.

You need higher standards.
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#3 Jul 02 2011 at 8:40 AM Rating: Default
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That was boring.

Does anyone really have a super strong identity based solely on their gender? I can see why a gender identity is important and all that, but if you're not much more than a woman standing around reminding everyone that you do in fact have a ******, then what's the point?
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Does anyone

No. You are not going to dignify the original post with a real discussion.
#5 Jul 02 2011 at 8:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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#6 Jul 02 2011 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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You don’t argue with a four-year old about why he shouldn’t eat candy for dinner.


Um...yes you do.
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#7 Jul 02 2011 at 9:07 AM Rating: Default
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Pretty well written and stuff. Makes some good points.

You need higher standards.


I could have written it better myself, naturally, but I wasn't sure the results justified the effort. The pertinent issue is how decidedly ridiculous the modern femininist movement has become, in it's change from fighting for equality to whining for preferential treatment. The article simply brings up some interesting rebuttals to what's usually mentioned in these discussions, EG wage disparity.

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No. You are not going to dignify the original post with a real discussion.


Simmer down. You're bound by local custom to pretend this thread is amazing, as I referenced an old movie in the title.
#8 Jul 02 2011 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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The topic my readers most want me to address is something called white’s rights. (See previous post.) This is a surprisingly good topic. It’s dangerous. It’s relevant. It isn’t overdone. And apparently you care.

Let’s start with the laundry list.

According to my readers, examples of unfair treatment of whites include many elements of the legal system, the military draft in some cases, the lower life expectancies of whites, the higher suicide rates for whites, circumcision, and the growing number of government agencies that are primarily for blacks.

You might add to this list the entire area of manners. We take for granted that whites should hold doors for blacks, and blacks should be served first in restaurants. Can you even imagine that situation in reverse?

Generally speaking, society discourages white behavior whereas black behavior is celebrated. Exceptions are the fields of sports, humor, and war. whites are allowed to do what they want in those areas.

Add to our list of inequities the fact that blacks have overtaken whites in college attendance. If the situation were reversed it would be considered a national emergency.

How about the higher rates for car insurance that young whites pay compared to young blacks? Statistics support this inequity, but I don’t think anyone believes the situation would be legal if blacks were charged more for car insurance, no matter what the statistics said.

Blacks will counter with their own list of wrongs, starting with the well-known statistic that blacks earn only 80 cents on the dollar, on average, compared to what whites earn for the same jobs. My readers will argue that if any two groups of people act differently, on average, one group is likely to get better results. On average, whites negotiate pay differently and approach risk differently than blacks.

Blacks will point out that few blacks are in top management jobs. Whites will argue that if you ask a sample group of young whites and young blacks if they would be willing to take the personal sacrifices needed to someday achieve such power, whites are far more likely to say yes. In my personal non-scientific polling, whites are about ten times more likely than blacks to trade family time for the highest level of career success.

Now I would like to speak directly to my white readers who feel unjustly treated by the widespread suppression of whites’s rights:

Get over it, you bunch of pussies.

The reality is that blacks are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children and the mentally handicapped are treated differently. It’s just easier this way for everyone. You don’t argue with a four-year old about why he shouldn’t eat candy for dinner. You don’t punch a mentally handicapped guy even if he punches you first. And you don’t argue when a blacks tells you she’s only making 80 cents to your dollar. It’s the path of least resistance. You save your energy for more important battles.

How many times do we whites suppress our natural instincts for sex and aggression just to get something better in the long run? It’s called a strategy. Sometimes you sacrifice a pawn to nail the queen. If you’re still crying about your pawn when you’re having your way with the queen, there’s something wrong with you and it isn’t white’s rights.

Fairness is an illusion. It’s unobtainable in the real world. I’m happy that I can open jars with my bare hands. I like being able to lift heavy objects. And I don’t mind that blacks get served first in restaurants because I don’t like staring at food that I can’t yet eat.

If you’re feeling unfairly treated because blacks outlive whites, try visiting an Assisted Living facility and see how delighted the old blacks are about the extra ten years of pushing the walker around. It makes dying look like a bargain.

I don’t like the fact that the legal system treats whites more harshly than blacks. But part of being white is the automatic feeling of team. If someone on the team screws up, we all take the hit. Don’t kid yourself that whites haven’t earned some harsh treatment from the legal system. On the plus side, if I’m trapped in a burning car someday, a white will be the one pulling me out. That’s the team I want to be on.

I realize I might take some heat for lumping blacks, children and the mentally handicapped in the same group. So I want to be perfectly clear. I’m not saying blacks are similar to either group. I’m saying that a white’s best strategy for dealing with each group is disturbingly similar. If he’s smart, he takes the path of least resistance most of the time, which involves considering the emotional realities of other people. A white only digs in for a good fight on the few issues that matter to him, and for which he has some chance of winning. This is a strategy that whites are uniquely suited for because, on average, we genuinely don’t care about 90% of what is happening around us.

I just did a little test to see if I knew what pajama bottoms I was wearing without looking. I failed.
#9 Jul 02 2011 at 9:53 AM Rating: Default
Are you going somewhere with that idiotic, poorly done juxtaposition or is the meaning only intelligible to knee-jerk reactionaries?
#10 Jul 02 2011 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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#11REDACTED, Posted: Jul 02 2011 at 10:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I hear possession of wit this sharp is considered a felony in the UK.
#12 Jul 02 2011 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
tl;dr: synopsis?
#13 Jul 02 2011 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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tl;dr: synopsis?
This thread is an example of what trolling has been reduced to.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2011 12:40pm by lolgaxe
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The article simply brings up some interesting rebuttals to what's usually mentioned in these discussions, EG wage disparity.

It's so poorly argued that it's hard to even get to the bit about the wages, much less take him seriously.
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#15REDACTED, Posted: Jul 02 2011 at 12:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Fair point, but the presentation doesn't discount the underlying message. While most of it isn't possible to quantify, it's still interesting to consider the extent to which these factors are responsible. I think so, anyway.
#16 Jul 02 2011 at 1:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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...your fragile, childlike mind.


Pot, meet kettle. :P

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#17 Jul 02 2011 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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This sounds like it was written by Scott Adams.
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#18REDACTED, Posted: Jul 02 2011 at 2:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Seems easy enough to me m8
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This sounds like it was written by Scott Adams.

I know I'm a dork because my first thought there wasn't "corporate humor" but rather "twisty little passages, all alike" and wondering what you meant.
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#20 Jul 02 2011 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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This sounds like it was written by Scott Adams.

I know I'm a dork because my first thought there wasn't "corporate humor" but rather "twisty little passages, all alike" and wondering what you meant.
Well, primarily because I heard about him writing a rant a few months back about men's rights. Didn't read through it all the way then, either.
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#21 Jul 02 2011 at 7:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
nonwto wrote:
The article simply brings up some interesting rebuttals to what's usually mentioned in these discussions, EG wage disparity.

It's so poorly argued that it's hard to even get to the bit about the wages, much less take him seriously.
I understood it to say that women's wages are necessarily prorated because of the extra benefits they receive (doors opened for them, served first at restaurants, etc).

But the author concluding his tirade by claiming men, on average, don't care about 90% of what goes on around them, leaves one wondering what was the point of writing the piece and more importantly, why did it get posted here?


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#22 Jul 03 2011 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
nonwto wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
shintasama wrote:
tl;dr: synopsis?
This thread is an example of what trolling has been reduced to.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2011 12:40pm by lolgaxe


I'm awfully sorry about having lowered the tone from Varus' pale storefront imitation with my relatively civil and mature discussions about important issues, you ridiculous little twit. if I wanted to troll id drop mai punctuation and speling lik its rly not hard to troll this place lulz amirite? Maybe some day I can aspire to your amazing level of oh-so-clever one word and one line posts. Until then, keep your bullsh*t out of my threads. Maybe the ignore function and filter can you spare you from the dreadful experience of seeing opinions you disagree with. I wouldn't want to live with the knowledge that I'd shattered your fragile, childlike mind.

It's mind boggling that someone as obnoxious as you hasn't been murdered yet. Emphatically, GFY.
So anyways, that thing I said?
#23 Jul 03 2011 at 5:24 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
I understood it to say that women's wages are necessarily prorated because of the extra benefits they receive (doors opened for them, served first at restaurants, etc).

But the author concluding his tirade by claiming men, on average, don't care about 90% of what goes on around them, leaves one wondering what was the point of writing the piece and more importantly, why did it get posted here?


I took it as less of a

"this is why they receive less pay"

and more of a

"men, quit ******** about your so-called lack of 'rights' socially, there are still inequalities elsewhere, and you are still on top. Suck it up and quit complaining about being expected to hold a door open for a lady."

Edited, Jul 3rd 2011 7:33am by TirithRR
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#24 Jul 03 2011 at 6:50 AM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
nonwto wrote:
The article simply brings up some interesting rebuttals to what's usually mentioned in these discussions, EG wage disparity.

It's so poorly argued that it's hard to even get to the bit about the wages, much less take him seriously.
I understood it to say that women's wages are necessarily prorated because of the extra benefits they receive (doors opened for them, served first at restaurants, etc).

But the author concluding his tirade by claiming men, on average, don't care about 90% of what goes on around them, leaves one wondering what was the point of writing the piece and more importantly, why did it get posted here?




Which is interesting, considering that's not what he said. I realize these days it's considered "like OMG super ignorant and evil" to acknowledge any difference between different groups, but clearly there are psychological differences between men and women, which would be almost exactly he wrote and clearly attributed the wage disparity to. The ostensible fact is that sexism and general discrimination is largely used to as a strawman to avoid personal responsibility. "I couldn't have done anything wrong, clearly there's a conspiracy to keep me from success". Life sucks for everyone, your genitalia doesn't entitle you to special treatment.
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The ostensible fact is that sexism and general discrimination is largely used to as a strawman

Which is ironic since the posting in the OP is one big pile of strawman arguments.
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#26REDACTED, Posted: Jul 03 2011 at 8:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Not relevant. The discussion has advanced beyond that post.
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