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#27 Jun 28 2011 at 9:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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What, exactly, do these riots have to do with welfare?


If these people were tired from actually working during the week they wouldn't have the energy or inclination to act this way. That's why you don't see working class citizens rioting.

That's your reasoning? They should be too tired?
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
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#28 Jun 28 2011 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good
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Ha, because being an insurance salesman is such back breaking work.

Really, if he did *real* work he'd be far too tired to play basketball with the negroes.
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#29REDACTED, Posted: Jun 28 2011 at 10:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lolgax,
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#30 Jun 28 2011 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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I had no idea that lolgaxe and I seemed that much alike...
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#31 Jun 28 2011 at 10:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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How about working 50hrs a week in insurance and another 30on a 4 acre garden? Not to mention exercising daily as well as practicing the piano and reading. And you people think i'm actually missing something by not having cable.
Build a Traffic Control Point from scratch and get back to me about back breaking labor, salesman. That's in 130 degree with 0 humidity weather, and no pianos or books or tv or anything for recreation.

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#32REDACTED, Posted: Jun 28 2011 at 10:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,
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#33 Jun 28 2011 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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I had no idea that lolgaxe and I seemed that much alike...
Our penises are bigger than his.
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#34REDACTED, Posted: Jun 28 2011 at 10:15 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lolgax,
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#36 Jun 28 2011 at 10:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF YOU HAD A WHOLESOME CHRISTIAN UPBRINGING, MAYBE YOU WOULD BE FILLED WITH THE LIGHT OF CHRIST AND WOULDN'T BE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SIN THAT YOU THINK ARE ACCEPTABLE, BECAUSE YOU'D KNOW NO SIN IS ACCEPTABLE.
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#37 Jun 28 2011 at 10:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Only b*tches and school teachers call it a *****. Obviously you're not the later.

Varus knows all about failed teachers.
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#38REDACTED, Posted: Jun 28 2011 at 10:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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Jophed,

Still p*ssed off you're a yankee I see.

No, he's pissed off that the rest of the world groups you together with him.
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#41 Jun 28 2011 at 10:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're right, sinning comes natural to you.
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#42 Jun 28 2011 at 6:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eske,

I use bing. Googles owned by pinko russian commies.


Nobody uses Bing. Not even homosexual satirist insurance salesmen.
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#43 Jun 28 2011 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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Eske Esquire wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Eske,

I use bing. Googles owned by pinko russian commies.


Nobody uses Bing. Not even homosexual satirist insurance salesmen.


Tailmon uses Bing...
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#44 Jun 29 2011 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
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Perhaps if these pieces of sh*t were actually forced to work instead of collecting their welfare checks this kind of thing would cease.


to a less extreme extent, I kind of agree with the idea of forcing those who are able to work that are on welfare to work, is a good idea. However, it can't be in the way that I think you have in mind.

First of all, the jobs need to be created by any means necessary. In theory, if city, state/provincial, and federal governments were to create jobs by hiring even just to clean up garbage on city streets, highways, etc. on an 8 hour shift, 5 days per week, tens of thousands of jobs would be created. I don't know if this is already happening elsewhere, but it definitely isn't where I am. Another way would be to pass legislation forcing companies to do business within the country. Outsourcing only increases unemployment.

Second of all, the welfare system needs an overhaul. It needs to be more strict about who gets welfare and other benefits. Those who cannot work due to physical or mental disability would be eligible for benefits, as would those who have been fired or laid off from their jobs, but they would only receive benefits for a limited time. If you can work, you work, and a job is created for you. If you are unable to work, then you receive benefits. If I'm not mistaken, this is how it's supposed to work in the first place, but it just doesn't happen to work as intended.

Third, make education more easily available. Many people cannot find jobs because they are unable to afford post-secondary education. A cut in tuition fees would enable more people to go to college or University. Some improvements to the public education system would also help.

Finally, offer better incentives for companies to hire more full-time employees.

Economics are not my strong suit, so I could be mistaken on some points about what's actually even possible and what's not or even if they're already being done, but these sound like good ideas to me.
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I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
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#45 Jun 29 2011 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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In theory, if city, state/provincial, and federal governments were to create jobs by hiring even just to clean up garbage on city streets, highways, etc. on an 8 hour shift, 5 days per week, tens of thousands of jobs would be created.

Oh, no. You can't do that. It would stigmatize the poor, degenerate, lazy people.
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Another way would be to pass legislation forcing companies to do business within the country. Outsourcing only increases unemployment.

Great idea. Let's pay top dollar for mediocre labor and see how large we can balloon the trade deficit! Welfare by any other name is still welfare.
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Those who cannot work due to physical or mental disability would be eligible for benefits...

Um, they are. It's called Social Security.
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as would those who have been fired or laid off from their jobs, but they would only receive benefits for a limited time.

Um, they are. It's called unemployment benefits.
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If you can work, you work, and a job is created for you.

Sure, because money grows on trees (or in the pockets of actually productive people). Let's just harvest more. 90% taxes for everyone making over the poverty line!
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Third, make education more easily available. Many people cannot find jobs because they are unable to afford post-secondary education. A cut in tuition fees would enable more people to go to college or University. Some improvements to the public education system would also help.

The world needs ditch diggers, too. There are plenty of jobs out there for people willing to work. You may not like tarring roofs, but it pays better than welfare and unemployment.
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Finally, offer better incentives for companies to hire more full-time employees.

Corporate welfare, too? Sure. Why not? We can become an economic wasteland even faster!
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Economics are not my strong suit, so I could be mistaken on some points about what's actually even possible and what's not or even if they're already being done, but these sound like good ideas to me.

You should have led with this. It would have saved people the time spent reading through that crap.
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#46 Jun 29 2011 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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You guys can get unemployment benefits even if you get fired? Fucking commies.
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#47 Jun 29 2011 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
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In theory, if city, state/provincial, and federal governments were to create jobs by hiring even just to clean up garbage on city streets, highways, etc. on an 8 hour shift, 5 days per week, tens of thousands of jobs would be created.

Oh, no. You can't do that. It would stigmatize the poor, degenerate, lazy people.
Besides being a wholly speculative accusation, this would be impossible unless society had already 'stigmatized' street-cleaners.

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Another way would be to pass legislation forcing companies to do business within the country. Outsourcing only increases unemployment.

Great idea. Let's pay top dollar for mediocre labor and see how large we can balloon the trade deficit!
Sounds like you want the country to fail. If we brought electronic manufacturing back to the states it would go a long way in solving many of our financial woes. But it would cut into Apples superprofit margin.

You're sounding like a broken record Moe. You simply can't blame all the countries problems on poor lazy moochers.



Edited, Jun 29th 2011 4:44pm by Elinda
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#48 Jun 29 2011 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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MoebiusLord wrote:
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In theory, if city, state/provincial, and federal governments were to create jobs by hiring even just to clean up garbage on city streets, highways, etc. on an 8 hour shift, 5 days per week, tens of thousands of jobs would be created.

Oh, no. You can't do that. It would stigmatize the poor, degenerate, lazy people.


Besides, that's the domain of the correctional systems.
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#49 Jun 29 2011 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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But it would cut into Apples superprofit margin.
You'd feel it in your wallet worse than they would.
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#51 Jun 29 2011 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Driftwood wrote:
In theory, if city, state/provincial, and federal governments were to create jobs by hiring even just to clean up garbage on city streets, highways, etc. on an 8 hour shift, 5 days per week, tens of thousands of jobs would be created.

Oh, no. You can't do that. It would stigmatize the poor, degenerate, lazy people.
Besides being a wholly speculative accusation, this would be impossible unless society had already 'stigmatized' street-cleaners.

Oh, you're the person that doesn't think "convict" when they see a blaze-orange wearing road crew on the side of the highway. I knew there had to be one out there.
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Another way would be to pass legislation forcing companies to do business within the country. Outsourcing only increases unemployment.

Great idea. Let's pay top dollar for mediocre labor and see how large we can balloon the trade deficit!
Sounds like you want the country to fail. If we brought electronic manufacturing back to the states it would go a long way in solving many of our financial woes. But it would cut into Apples superprofit margin.

If we brought electronics manufacturing back to this country a DVD player would cost $300 where you can get it now for under $50. Unions kill profitability. But hey, they sure do a great job for auto workers. I want a job where I get payed to play solitaire for 3 years after they shut down the plant.
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You're sounding like a broken record Moe. You simply can't blame all the countries problems on poor lazy moochers.

LRN2REID. I blame all the country's ills on Liberalism.
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