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Posted: Jul 01 2011 at 5:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) All violent media is actually proven to desensitize you to is other violent media. I know this newfangled concept of "violence" is shocking to some, but I don't think it's sudden, unprecedented advent has much do with video games.
Maybe we should bring back gladiators, so we can just remove these stupid discussions.
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I've never really looked at any studies though.
I took a quick look at that study and laughed. Unfortunately the pdf is locked so I can't copy and past, but the top right side of page 8 briefly describes a pretty ridiculous methodology.
The authors criticize the conclusiveness of some studies in that the amount of violence varied was too small, and thus showing a negligible effect. That the studies show the equivalent of consuming an ounce of vodka versus no vodka, and since only an ounce doesn't inhibit one much then vodka must not impair your mental faculties. This is a reasonable criticism. However, to work around this they went and personally rated each video game on how violent they felt it was, which then--whadayaknow--proved exactly what they suspected.
The authors criticize the conclusiveness of some studies in that the amount of violence varied was too small, and thus showing a negligible effect. That the studies show the equivalent of consuming an ounce of vodka versus no vodka, and since only an ounce doesn't inhibit one much then vodka must not impair your mental faculties. This is a reasonable criticism. However, to work around this they went and personally rated each video game on how violent they felt it was, which then--whadayaknow--proved exactly what they suspected.
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Maybe we should bring back gladiators, so we can just remove these stupid discussions.
This has always been my argument. Since when is violence a new thing? Public draw-and-quarter might be another nice thing also.
Allegory wrote:
I took a quick look at that study and laughed. Unfortunately the pdf is locked so I can't copy and past, but the top right side of page 8 briefly describes a pretty ridiculous methodology.
The authors criticize the conclusiveness of some studies in that the amount of violence varied was too small, and thus showing a negligible effect. That the studies show the equivalent of consuming an ounce of vodka versus no vodka, and since only an ounce doesn't inhibit one much then vodka must not impair your mental faculties. This is a reasonable criticism. However, to work around this they went and personally rated each video game on how violent they felt it was, which then--whadayaknow--proved exactly what they suspected.
The authors criticize the conclusiveness of some studies in that the amount of violence varied was too small, and thus showing a negligible effect. That the studies show the equivalent of consuming an ounce of vodka versus no vodka, and since only an ounce doesn't inhibit one much then vodka must not impair your mental faculties. This is a reasonable criticism. However, to work around this they went and personally rated each video game on how violent they felt it was, which then--whadayaknow--proved exactly what they suspected.
Looks like they did so using some "unusual" criteria, as well. They criticize the use of Sonic the Hedgehog as a sample of a non-violent game, saying that it is inherently violent because Sonic "kills" his enemies (and by "throwing fireballs at them" no less
). As I recall it, Sonic destroyed the robot casements that cute little bunny rabbits and squirrels were being kept in, allowing them to hop away to freedom. I'm not saying that the game wasn't violent (it is, of course, albeit marginally). But the authors sure didn't do themselves any favors by fundamentally misunderstanding the games that they're criticizing.
MoebiusLord wrote:
Turin wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
xantav wrote:
I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.
I love how you named yourself after an antacid.
Um, he didn't. There is no antacid currently on the market called Xantav.
You make hemorrhoids seem tolerable.
I have that same feeling about people that can't be bothered to know the difference between two completely different words.
Nadenu wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Maybe we should bring back gladiators, so we can just remove these stupid discussions.
This has always been my argument.
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Maybe we should bring back gladiators, so we can just remove these stupid discussions.
This has always been my argument.
I don't know, maybe. I might watch some gladiators.
Let's see what John Stewart says about this..
http://www.hulu.com/watch/255272/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-moral-kombat
I saw kids playing this game at the barbershop while I was getting a hair cut. I was kind of surprised that their parents allowed them to do play. It is a good game though.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/255272/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-moral-kombat
I saw kids playing this game at the barbershop while I was getting a hair cut. I was kind of surprised that their parents allowed them to do play. It is a good game though.
Almalieque wrote:
Let's see what John Stewart says about this..
http://www.hulu.com/watch/255272/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-moral-kombat
http://www.hulu.com/watch/255272/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-moral-kombat
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Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
Nadenu wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Maybe we should bring back gladiators, so we can just remove these stupid discussions.
This has always been my argument.
I don't know, maybe. I might watch some gladiators.
Ugly...do you like movies about gladiators?
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Totally. I may feel differently about it were it real though. Maybe.
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bsphil wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Let's see what John Stewart says about this..
http://www.hulu.com/watch/255272/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-moral-kombat
http://www.hulu.com/watch/255272/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-moral-kombat
Ah, silly me. How can anyone make that mistake? Adding an "h" in Jon? That was uncalled for, making his name sound all funny and different.
Turin wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Turin wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
xantav wrote:
I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.
I love how you named yourself after an antacid.
You make hemorrhoids seem tolerable.
Duke Ikkian wrote:
Turin wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Turin wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
xantav wrote:
I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.
I love how you named yourself after an antacid.
You make hemorrhoids seem tolerable.
I'm sure he was. That doesn't make him any less wrong.
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Totally. I may feel differently about it were it real though. Maybe.
If regulated correctly, I could definitely see a market for brutal gladiatorial fights.
Just as Planned.
Turin wrote:
Duke Ikkian wrote:
Turin wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Turin wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
xantav wrote:
I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.
I love how you named yourself after an antacid.
You make hemorrhoids seem tolerable.
I'm sure he was. That doesn't make him any less
bsphil wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Let's see what John Stewart says about this..
http://www.hulu.com/watch/255272/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-moral-kombat
http://www.hulu.com/watch/255272/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-moral-kombat
I thought we agreed to encourage the practice of Alma limiting his posts to snippets from Stewart and Colbert.
Timelordwho wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Totally. I may feel differently about it were it real though. Maybe.
If regulated correctly, I could definitely see a market for brutal gladiatorial fights.
Even in an extremely silly hypothetical, you still can't leave the free market alone.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Story in NPR today.
In a nutshell a study was done with college-aged kids. Some played 'violent' games, some played non-voilent games. Then the students did an activity where they were to blast others with loud noises. They student could control the type of noise and the volume.
Apparently the kids that had been playing the violent video games were more aggressive in shooting people with noise.
Another researcher, interpreted the behaviors a bit differently. Defining the behaviors as minor acts of aggression and compared it to little kids sticking their tongues out at each other.
I guess I more with the second viewpoint. I don't think shooting somewhat with loud noise can be extrapolated to violent behavior.
Clearly what kids do and see and experience impacts behavior. Kids listen to loud be-popping music they get loud and rowdy. I mean we've been telling/reading kids stories or singing them lullabies before bed forever because these are activities that tend to calm and mellow kids.
But rowdiness isn't violence. I think one could just as easily make the case that kids who are exposed to slow dull witless entertainment, exhibit slow dull witless behavior.
Edit - Ooops the story.
Edited, Jul 7th 2011 3:08pm by Elinda
In a nutshell a study was done with college-aged kids. Some played 'violent' games, some played non-voilent games. Then the students did an activity where they were to blast others with loud noises. They student could control the type of noise and the volume.
Apparently the kids that had been playing the violent video games were more aggressive in shooting people with noise.
Another researcher, interpreted the behaviors a bit differently. Defining the behaviors as minor acts of aggression and compared it to little kids sticking their tongues out at each other.
I guess I more with the second viewpoint. I don't think shooting somewhat with loud noise can be extrapolated to violent behavior.
Clearly what kids do and see and experience impacts behavior. Kids listen to loud be-popping music they get loud and rowdy. I mean we've been telling/reading kids stories or singing them lullabies before bed forever because these are activities that tend to calm and mellow kids.
But rowdiness isn't violence. I think one could just as easily make the case that kids who are exposed to slow dull witless entertainment, exhibit slow dull witless behavior.
Edit - Ooops the story.
Edited, Jul 7th 2011 3:08pm by Elinda
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Increased aggression directly after the activity isn't indicative of anything. After playing any physical sports, children (and adults) have their aggression increased as well.
And do any of these things indicate a need for legislature? Methinks not without a ton of completely un-scientific conjecture.
Allegory wrote:
Increased aggression directly after the activity isn't indicative of anything. After playing any physical sports, children (and adults) have their aggression increased as well.
Which can also predict violence. I'm scarcely on the side of prohibiting reasonably violent video games to teens, but it seems like wishful thinking to me that increased aggression isn't indicative of a propensity for violence. A golfer is a lot more likely to throw his clubs when he's fucking up the green than a chess player is to flip the board when he's losing due simply to the different brain states the games evoke.
Though I would argue that frustrating game mechanics can be a better indicator of aggression and violence than the modeling of violence :P
The important part of Allegory's post was that this is not in any way indicative of a long-term trend, much like you wouldn't say that golf players are necessarily more violent than chess players.
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