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#1 Jun 24 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Sub-Default

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http://blogs.cbn.com/WhiteHouseWrap/archive/2011/06/23/commander-in-chief-misspeaks-about-soldier-killed-in-afghanistan.aspx

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First time I saw 10th Mountain Division, you guys were in southern Iraq. When I went back to visit Afghanistan, you guys were the first ones there. I had the great honor of seeing some of you because a comrade of yours, Jared Monti, was the first person who I was able to award the Medal of Honor to who actually came back and wasnâ€™t receiving it posthumously."

The problem is, Jared Monti was killed in action in Afghanistan, on June 21, 2006. He was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously, September 17, 2009. President Obama handed the framed medal to his parents, Paul and Janet Monti. He and the First Lady comforted them in the Oval Office following the ceremony.

This is the why Democrats can't shed the rep that they hate and despise the military.

#2 Jun 24 2011 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent

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Kind of annoying he mixed up Monti with Salvatore Giunta.

Mild irritation, anyway.

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#3 Jun 24 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Excellent

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varusword75 wrote:

This is the why Democrats can't shed the rep that they hate and despise the military.

Slightly off topic, but do you realize that someone can be against what the military does, and still not hate the people in it? Or be against what major corporations/the government does, and not hate the people in them? Large-scale organizations have a sort of momentum all their own, almost independent of the members they're comprised of (although generally there's a small group of people in charge upon whom blame CAN be placed for their actions). When we live in a society where most people cannot escape being part of the military/corporate structure/government, you cannot hate the individual peons within those organizations based on those organization's actions.

Hating them for their own personal qualities is another story altogether...

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#4 Jun 24 2011 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent

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He wouldn't be a generic caricature if there was variance in his personality.

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#5 Jun 24 2011 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent

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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:

varusword75 wrote:

This is the why Democrats can't shed the rep that they hate and despise the military.

Slightly off topic, but do you realize that someone can be against what the military does, and still not hate the people in it? Or be against what major corporations/the government does, and not hate the people in them? Large-scale organizations have a sort of momentum all their own, almost independent of the members they're comprised of (although generally there's a small group of people in charge upon whom blame CAN be placed for their actions). When we live in a society where most people cannot escape being part of the military/corporate structure/government, you cannot hate the individual peons within those organizations based on those organization's actions.

Hating them for their own personal qualities is another story altogether...

I hate to Godwin's myself, but you would argue that **** guards at concentration camps are blameless for their actions during WW2?

You'll reply that of course you don't, that's different, that's not analogous at all. To which I will reply that you should qualify your stupid opinions better.

Carry on.

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#6 Jun 24 2011 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent

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Demea wrote:

AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:

varusword75 wrote:

This is the why Democrats can't shed the rep that they hate and despise the military.

Slightly off topic, but do you realize that someone can be against what the military does, and still not hate the people in it? Or be against what major corporations/the government does, and not hate the people in them? Large-scale organizations have a sort of momentum all their own, almost independent of the members they're comprised of (although generally there's a small group of people in charge upon whom blame CAN be placed for their actions). When we live in a society where most people cannot escape being part of the military/corporate structure/government, you cannot hate the individual peons within those organizations based on those organization's actions.

Hating them for their own personal qualities is another story altogether...

I hate to Godwin's myself, but you would argue that **** guards at concentration camps are blameless for their actions during WW2?

You'll reply that of course you don't, that's different, that's not analogous at all. To which I will reply that you should qualify your stupid opinions better.

Carry on.

I already qualified it with the last sentence.

Edit: and also "When we live in a society where most people cannot escape being part of the military/corporate structure/government, you cannot hate the individual peons within those organizations based on those organization's actions."

Edited, Jun 24th 2011 12:54pm by AshOnMyTomatoes

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#7 Jun 24 2011 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent

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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:

varusword75 wrote:

This is the why Democrats can't shed the rep that they hate and despise the military.

Slightly off topic, but do you realize that someone can be against what the military does, and still not hate the people in it? Or be against what major corporations/the government does, and not hate the people in them? Large-scale organizations have a sort of momentum all their own, almost independent of the members they're comprised of (although generally there's a small group of people in charge upon whom blame CAN be placed for their actions). When we live in a society where most people cannot escape being part of the military/corporate structure/government, you cannot hate the individual peons within those organizations based on those organization's actions.

Hating them for their own personal qualities is another story altogether...

No, that's not something the right can give any credence to. I mean, I don't necessarily agree with the military actions we've been involved with over the past decade, but that doesn't mean I hold it against my cousin, or my brother-in-law, both of whom have recently come back from Iraq.

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#8 Jun 24 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent

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The Commander in Chief of the US armed forces hates and despises the military and the best outlet he can find for this is to make an embarrassing mistake that reflects poorly on him rather than the military?

Huh.

In related news, the House GOP has, almost to a man, pledged their support for Col. Gaddafi's indiscriminate shelling of civilian cities with rockets containing explosive ball bearings over supporting our US armed forces or military allies.

But, yeah... Obama got a name wrong in a speech. Jerk.

Edited, Jun 24th 2011 1:04pm by Jophiel

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#9 Jun 24 2011 at 12:03 PM Rating: Default

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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:

Demea wrote:

AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:

varusword75 wrote:

This is the why Democrats can't shed the rep that they hate and despise the military.

Slightly off topic, but do you realize that someone can be against what the military does, and still not hate the people in it? Or be against what major corporations/the government does, and not hate the people in them? Large-scale organizations have a sort of momentum all their own, almost independent of the members they're comprised of (although generally there's a small group of people in charge upon whom blame CAN be placed for their actions). When we live in a society where most people cannot escape being part of the military/corporate structure/government, you cannot hate the individual peons within those organizations based on those organization's actions.

Hating them for their own personal qualities is another story altogether...

I hate to Godwin's myself, but you would argue that **** guards at concentration camps are blameless for their actions during WW2?

You'll reply that of course you don't, that's different, that's not analogous at all. To which I will reply that you should qualify your stupid opinions better.

Carry on.

I already qualified it with the last sentence.

Edit: and also "When we live in a society where most people cannot escape being part of the military/corporate structure/government, you cannot hate the individual peons within those organizations based on those organization's actions."

Edited, Jun 24th 2011 12:54pm by AshOnMyTomatoes

So you hold **** guards blameless, except for the ones that were total jerks?

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#10 Jun 24 2011 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent

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Demea wrote:

So you hold **** guards blameless, except for the ones that were total jerks?

So you're going to corner me with a false dichotomy? Like there was no such thing as someone in the service of the **** regime that was a good person?

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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:

Demea wrote:

So you hold **** guards blameless, except for the ones that were total jerks?

So you're going to corner me with a false dichotomy? Like there was no such thing as someone in the service of the **** regime that was a good person?

You said it, not me:

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...you cannot hate the individual peons within those organizations based on those organization's actions.

I'm just extending your poorly-worded statements to their logical conclusion.

Also, I'm really bored at work. Is it 5pm yet?

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#12 Jun 24 2011 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent

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Jophiel wrote:

Col. Gaddafi

I've always been amused that he's the head of state and the most he aspired to title himself is Colonel.

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#13 REDACTED, Posted: Jun 24 2011 at 12:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,

#14 Jun 24 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent

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In related news, the House GOP has, almost to a man, pledged their support for Col. Gaddafi's indiscriminate shelling of civilian cities with rockets containing explosive ball bearings over supporting our US armed forces or military allies.

About that: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/24/house-takes-up-a-rebuke-to-obamas-libya-policy/?hp

The NY Times wrote:

The House on Friday resoundingly rejected a measure that would have authorized the United Statesâ€™ mission in Libya, with 70 Democrats deserting President Obama on an issue that has divided their party and became a major Constitutional flash point between Congress and the White House.

Looks like just over a third of Dems support ball bearing explosion as well.

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Demea wrote:

Also, I'm really bored at work. Is it 5pm yet?

Lord I wish. Nothing to do here either, and it's making this day drag.

#16 REDACTED, Posted: Jun 24 2011 at 12:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,

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varusword75 wrote:

Of course if you supported the military you might understand a medal of honor is pretty important to them.

Not really.

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#18 REDACTED, Posted: Jun 24 2011 at 12:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lolgax,

#19 Jun 24 2011 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent

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varusword75 wrote:

You can stop pretending you're in the military. No one believes you.

A generic internet personality not believing me doesn't really change my heart rate in either direction.

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#20 Jun 24 2011 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent

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varusword75 wrote:

You can stop pretending you're in the military. No one believes you.

A generic internet personality not believing me doesn't really change my heart rate in either direction.

Dude, he shoots hoops with negroes on base. He knows all about the military and how it works!

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#21 Jun 24 2011 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good

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Varus,

You can stop pretending. Nobody believes you, either.

...except Joph and Drift.

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Demea wrote:

Looks like just over a third of Dems support ball bearing explosion as well.

Fair enough. Almost the entire House GOP and ~33% of the House Democrats support Gaddafi's indiscriminate shelling of civilian population centers. We coo'?

Edit: Interestingly enough, the measure to defund the operations was also defeated. So they're against the operation enough to not authorize it, but not against it enough to do anything to stop it.

Edited, Jun 24th 2011 2:21pm by Jophiel

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Debalic wrote:

lolgaxe wrote:

varusword75 wrote:

You can stop pretending you're in the military. No one believes you.

A generic internet personality not believing me doesn't really change my heart rate in either direction.

Dude, he shoots hoops with negroes on base. He knows all about the military and how it works!

Yeah but has he ever gone AWOL with his SO at an IHW/ISS and had the OPP and NWA show up with a POL, NSOG, and TROQHUGO?

No?

Then I guess he doesn't know everything about the military, like I do.

This has been my impression of every conversation between lolgaxe and Alma.

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had the OPP

Well, you know me.

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#26 Jun 24 2011 at 1:47 PM Rating: Excellent

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varusword75 wrote:

My brother was a marine; j*ckass.

Playing with GI Joes at the beach doesn't make him a marine.

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