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#27 Jun 23 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Demea wrote:
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Less people die from marijuana than alcohol and tobacco. Funny which ones are legal.

Perhaps less people die from pot-related causes precisely because it's illegal.

I'm not saying definitively that this is the case, but it seems as if not more likely an explanation as "pot is less harmful than other legal substances."
I'm sure any data on that would be adjusted for usage rates rather than just raw numbers. Been a while since I've read any statistics on pot usage but I know the figures in the US are in the tens of millions.
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#28 Jun 23 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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I don't get your signature.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2011 1:43pm by Eske
#29 Jun 23 2011 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Less people die from marijuana than alcohol and tobacco. Funny which ones are legal.

Perhaps less people die from pot-related causes precisely because it's illegal.

I'm not saying definitively that this is the case, but it seems as if not more likely an explanation as "pot is less harmful than other legal substances."
I'm pretty sure more people died due to alcohol-related ailments during Prohibition than those who die of marijuana-related ones today.
#30 Jun 23 2011 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Eske Esquire wrote:
I don't get your signature.

Gbaji was whining about some post I made and how it didn't address some point or I quoted something he didn't want quoted or some such crap. I asked him if he ever pauses from his whining about how not everyone posts exactly how he wants them to. He replied in the negative. I found it amusing.

Technically, he said "No." and then the next sentence was him whining about me not posting the way he wanted me to but I didn't need to confuse the issue.
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#31 Jun 23 2011 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
I don't get your signature.

Gbaji was whining about some post I made and how it didn't address some point or I quoted something he didn't want quoted or some such crap. I asked him if he ever pauses from his whining about how not everyone posts exactly how he wants them to. He replied in the negative. I found it amusing.

Technically, he said "No." and then the next sentence was him whining about me not posting the way he wanted me to but I didn't need to confuse the issue.
I don't get why you'd post from a $3700 fur coat. But, then there are those that enjoy posting in the buff so I spose......
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#32 Jun 23 2011 at 12:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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More comfortable than a faux fur coat, obviously.
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#33 Jun 23 2011 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
I don't get why you'd post from a $3700 fur coat.

It's the only thing that stops me from running up on you and doing a Rambo; jamming and flat-blasting both of you.
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#34 Jun 23 2011 at 12:24 PM Rating: Default
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People will do it regardless of the law. I say lets get tax money from it and stop letting drug lords make crap loads of money off of killing people. Small businesses make money off of selling greenroom materials too. The amount of tax money spent of fighting it and housing prisoners is way to high as it is. Smoking cigarettes is way worse as far as cancer is concerned anyways. South Park ...

Whatever credibility you may have had ended just before the ellipses. Whatever you do, don't use that argument in front of someone your actually trying to convince.

You might as well say "John Stewart said legalize it on the news last night!"
#35 Jun 23 2011 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Sweetums wrote:
Demea wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Less people die from marijuana than alcohol and tobacco. Funny which ones are legal.

Perhaps less people die from pot-related causes precisely because it's illegal.

I'm not saying definitively that this is the case, but it seems as if not more likely an explanation as "pot is less harmful than other legal substances."
I'm pretty sure more people died due to alcohol-related ailments during Prohibition than those who die of marijuana-related ones today.

I'm pretty sure that the exact opposite is true.

So there.
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#36 Jun 23 2011 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Saying "I saw it on South Park" is an excellent way to let everyone know not to take you seriously.

My opinions are my own. What I said was South Park did a great episode about it. I was pointing out that episode because it shows that making something illegal doesn't make it go away i.e. prohibition. It also points out that many people who use medical marijuana don't need it. I talked about taxes and prisoners, neither of them were talked about in that episode.

If it was government regulated and taxed like cigarettes do you think it would be a bad thing? The country is already making money from Medical Marijuana and look at all the good lottery money goes too.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2011 2:31pm by blueazaka
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I'm personally of the opinion that legalizing marijuana would be a tax boon although probably not to the extent that advocates would have you think. I don't think it would destroy society or the American way of life or whatever. I'm also fairly ambivalent about it and unlikely to base any voting decisions on who has what legalization platform.

But I wouldn't bother citing a cartoon while making these statements.
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#38 Jun 23 2011 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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blueazaka wrote:
I was pointing out that episode because it shows that making something illegal doesn't make it go away i.e. prohibition.
You know you could have stopped by mentioning just Prohibition.

Mentioning a South Park episode agreeing with your opinion is like making an anti-drug video that looks like a bunch of pot heads created it.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2011 2:40pm by lolgaxe
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#39 Jun 23 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm personally of the opinion that legalizing marijuana would be a tax boon although probably not to the extent that advocates would have you think. I don't think it would destroy society or the American way of life or whatever. I'm also fairly ambivalent about it and unlikely to base any voting decisions on who has what legalization platform.

But I wouldn't bother citing a cartoon while making these statements.

I understand what your saying and it's good advice. To me it's more about how Matt Stone and Trey Parker point out the obvious than a cartoon.
#40 Jun 23 2011 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Know what's a great musical? Reefer Madness. Honestly, nothing made me want to smoke pot as much as that movie.

Probably wouldn't support my arguments with it though.
#41 Jun 23 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Matt Stone and Trey Parker point out the obvious

And the guys who wrote "Uncle F'ucker" are great cites in an argument.
#42 Jun 23 2011 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
blueazaka wrote:
Matt Stone and Trey Parker point out the obvious

And the guys who wrote "Uncle F'ucker" are great cites in an argument.

Lets not forget they got Kanye West to admit he was a jackass!
#43 Jun 23 2011 at 1:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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MoebiusLord wrote:
blueazaka wrote:
Matt Stone and Trey Parker point out the obvious

And the guys who wrote "Uncle F'ucker" are great cites in an argument.
"The Book of Mormon" did just win 8 Tonys (Tonies? Tony's?) however. So they're doing something right at least.
#44 Jun 23 2011 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
Sweetums wrote:
Demea wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Less people die from marijuana than alcohol and tobacco. Funny which ones are legal.

Perhaps less people die from pot-related causes precisely because it's illegal.

I'm not saying definitively that this is the case, but it seems as if not more likely an explanation as "pot is less harmful than other legal substances."
I'm pretty sure more people died due to alcohol-related ailments during Prohibition than those who die of marijuana-related ones today.

I'm pretty sure that the exact opposite is true.

So there.
Bored, quick 15 min search of mortality statistics for 1929 in Massachusetts.

page 6 of the pdf wrote:
Alcoholism caused 281 deaths in 1929... corresponding rate of 6 per 100,000



Edited, Jun 23rd 2011 2:02pm by Sweetums
#45 Jun 23 2011 at 1:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Cannibal the Musical and Orgasmo were both pretty good watches, too.
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#46 Jun 23 2011 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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To me it's more about how Matt Stone and Trey Parker point out the obvious than a cartoon.

They point out what's "obvious" to them and I wouldn't expect or assume that they did/do any actual research or try to create a non-biased view. They shouldn't have to, they're making cartoons so they should be interested in what's funny about a topic rather than what's accurate.
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#47 Jun 23 2011 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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I don't get your signature.

Gbaji was whining about some post I made and how it didn't address some point or I quoted something he didn't want quoted or some such crap. I asked him if he ever pauses from his whining about how not everyone posts exactly how he wants them to. He replied in the negative. I found it amusing.

Technically, he said "No." and then the next sentence was him whining about me not posting the way he wanted me to but I didn't need to confuse the issue.


Ah. I was getting confused by the phrasing. Don't often hear "petulance" used that way.

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Do you take even a minute away from your never-ending petulance that not everyone posts just how you want them to?


I was staring at it for a while. I'd been reading it as saying that the petulance was "something that not everyone posts". Which made the whole thing read like a nonsense sentence.

I wonder why, say, "whining" would have made sense there to me, but petulance didn't. My guess is that it has something to do with proper use of gerunds, but I know a lot less than I'd like about grammar.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2011 3:32pm by Eske
#48 Jun 23 2011 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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It's hard to compare toxicity because the effective dosages are so different. But generally speaking, in social usage, Alcohol is far more toxic than THC.

Drinking a couple beers a day will likely impact your liver over time, where as the typical daily dosage of THC has no chronic effects. However smoking the stuff, particularly if you roll it up in papers, will expose you to carcinogens.

Still, I think it's pretty obvious that people just don't die from pot poisoning like they do from alcohol poisoning.

Indirect deaths like drunk driving versus stoned driving are hard to compare as well as stoned driving is probably not very well documented.

From personal experience I found driving while stoned was a paranoia trip but i had no problems controlling the car - in fact I would drive slow because there were cops hiding at every corner. Driving drunk, I'm ashamed to say a couple times I was a real danger and had little control over the car.
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#49 Jun 23 2011 at 2:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Drinking a couple beers a day will likely impact your liver over time, where as the typical daily dosage of THC has no chronic effects.
Two things:
1. Actually, drinking a couple beers a day shows people live longer. Or so recent studies say. After that come people who over-indulge, and then teetotalers.
2. I laughed at THC and chronic being in the same sentence Smiley: grin
#50 Jun 23 2011 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Drinking a couple beers a day will likely impact your liver over time, where as the typical daily dosage of THC has no chronic effects.
Two things:
1. Actually, drinking a couple beers a day shows people live longer. Or so recent studies say. After that come people who over-indulge, and then teetotalers.
2. I laughed at THC and chronic being in the same sentence Smiley: grin
Well there is no documented physiological chronic effect. Sure, smoking pot all day everyday probably has some real psychological effects but I've not really checked them out.

Alcohol impact on a liver is well documented.

Really though, I don't see the value in comparing the two. Both are addictive and both can prove detrimental if over-used. But then lots of thing are like that.

I think pot needs to be legal or not based on it's own virtues and vices.

If we're a free people we shouldn't be regulating behaviors unless they have an obvious and measurable direct negative impact on society. Basically. Lol.
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#51 Jun 23 2011 at 3:53 PM Rating: Good
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