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#102 Jul 15 2011 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh Varus, I've been holding myself back from bothering with you for a while now, but I figure I can do one.


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This is what ugly women always tell themselves. Just like they tell themselves it's doesn't really matter what you look like it only matters who you are on the inside.


So, you really actually do think that looks are more important then? If that were the case, most of those considered to be the best presidents before television, would never have been elected because quite a few of them weren't exactly handsome. Looks are absolutely meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but as shallowness prevails, so continues a line of ****** presidents. You're on ****** president #2 in a row now, wanna bet the next, regardless of party, is equally as ******, but just as equally above-average looking?

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Do you think Obama knows how many states there are in the United States?


Probably. I think W did too, and Clinton, and Bush I, and Reagan, etc. Like, really, now you're just being silly.

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But hey as long as the media is willing to fabricate facts targetting politicians you don't agree with that' ok isn't it?


You're actually correct about this. Sarah was pretty much accurate in her description of Paul Revere's ride, but her delivery was a touch confusing, and the Liberal media took advantage of it. The Conservative media would do the same in their position. Welcome to partisan politics. Isn't it just wonderful how your country has perverted what several of your founding fathers were fighting for?

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#103 Jul 15 2011 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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Driftwood wrote:
Sarah was pretty much accurate in her description of Paul Revere's ride, but her delivery was a touch confusing...


Right, that was the problem. The delivery.

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#104 Jul 15 2011 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Why make me quote an entire Varus post at once?

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bsphil,

Sure it is. Let me show you;

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Palin prompted howls of partisan derision when she said on Boston’s Freedom Trail that Revere “warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.”


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Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate."



But hey as long as the media is willing to fabricate facts targetting politicians you don't agree with that' ok isn't it?

You can say you were wrong. It's a sign of maturity to be able to admit ones mistakes.


Edited, Jun 17th 2011 2:01pm by varusword75


It's terribly stated, but relatively accurate nonetheless. I could do the research myself, but in one hell of a rare showing of some sort of intelligent life, Varus did it for me. But, why not, I'll do some research myself, here's a gigantic block of text.

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When British Army activity on April 7, 1775, suggested the possibility of troop movements, Joseph Warren sent Revere to warn the Massachusetts Provincial Congress, then sitting in Concord, the site of one of the larger caches of Patriot military supplies. After delivering the warning, Concord residents began moving the military supplies away from the town.[35]
One week later, General Gage received instructions from Secretary of State William Legge, Earl of Dartmouth, to disarm the rebels, who were known to have hidden weapons in Concord, among other locations, and to imprison the rebellion's leaders, especially Samuel Adams and John Hancock. Dartmouth gave Gage considerable discretion in his commands.[36][37] Gage issued orders to Lieutenant Colonel Francis Smith to proceed from Boston "with utmost expedition and secrecy to Concord, where you will seize and destroy... all Military stores.... But you will take care that the soldiers do not plunder the inhabitants or hurt private property." Gage did not issue written orders for the arrest of rebel leaders, as he feared doing so might spark an uprising.[38]
Between 9 and 10 p.m. on the night of April 18, 1775, Joseph Warren told Revere and William Dawes that the king's troops were about to embark in boats from Boston bound for Cambridge and the road to Lexington and Concord. Warren's intelligence suggested that the most likely objectives of the regulars' movements later that night would be the capture of Adams and Hancock. They did not worry about the possibility of regulars marching to Concord, since the supplies at Concord were safe, but they did think their leaders in Lexington were unaware of the potential danger that night. Revere and Dawes were sent out to warn them and to alert colonial militias in nearby towns.[39][40]
In the days before April 18, Revere had instructed Robert Newman, the sexton of the North Church, to send a signal by lantern to alert colonists in Charlestown as to the movements of the troops when the information became known. In what is well known today by the phrase "one if by land, two if by sea", one lantern in the steeple would signal the army's choice of the land route while two lanterns would signal the route "by water" across the Charles River.[41] Revere first gave instructions to send the signal to Charlestown. He then crossed the Charles River by rowboat, slipping past the British warship HMS Somerset at anchor. Crossings were banned at that hour, but Revere safely landed in Charlestown and rode to Lexington, avoiding a British patrol and later warning almost every house along the route. The Charlestown colonists dispatched additional riders to the north.[40][42]
Riding through present-day Somerville, Medford, and Arlington, Revere warned patriots along his route, many of whom set out on horseback to deliver warnings of their own. By the end of the night there were probably as many as 40 riders throughout Middlesex County carrying the news of the army's advance. Revere did not shout the phrase later attributed to him ("The British are coming!"): His mission depended on secrecy, the countryside was filled with British army patrols, and the Massachusetts colonists (who were predominantly English in ethnic origin[43]) still considered themselves British.[44] [45] Revere's warning, according to eyewitness accounts of the ride and Revere's own descriptions, was "The Regulars are coming out."[46] Revere arrived in Lexington around midnight, with Dawes arriving about a half hour later. They met with Samuel Adams and John Hancock, who were spending the night with Hancock's relatives (in what is now called the Hancock-Clarke House), and they spent a great deal of time discussing plans of action upon receiving the news. They believed that the forces leaving the city were too large for the sole task of arresting two men and that Concord was the main target.[47] The Lexington men dispatched riders to the surrounding towns, and Revere and Dawes continued along the road to Concord accompanied by Samuel Prescott, a doctor who happened to be in Lexington "returning from a lady friend's house at the awkward hour of 1 a.m."[40][48]
Revere, Dawes, and Prescott were detained by a British Army patrol in Lincoln at a roadblock on the way to Concord.[40] Prescott jumped his horse over a wall and escaped into the woods; he eventually reached Concord. Dawes also escaped, though he fell off his horse not long after and did not complete the ride.[49]


This Paul Revere Statue in North End, Boston was made by Cyrus Dallin and unveiled on September 22, 1940.
Revere was captured and questioned by the British soldiers at gunpoint. He told them of the army's movement from Boston, and that British army troops would be in some danger if they approached Lexington, because of the large number of hostile militia gathered there. He and other captives taken by the patrol were still escorted east toward Lexington, until about a half mile from Lexington they heard a gunshot. The British major demanded Revere explain the gunfire, and Revere replied it was a signal to "alarm the country". As the group drew closer to Lexington, the town bell began to clang rapidly, upon which one of the captives proclaimed to the British soldiers "The bell's a'ringing! The town's alarmed, and you're all dead men!" The British soldiers gathered and decided not to press further towards Lexington but instead to free the prisoners and head back to warn their commanders.[50] The British confiscated Revere's horse and rode off to warn the approaching army column. Revere walked to Rev. Jonas Clarke's house, where Hancock and Adams were staying. As the battle on Lexington Green unfolded, Revere assisted John Hancock and his family in their escape from Lexington, helping to carry a trunk of Hancock's papers.[51]
The ride of the three men triggered a flexible system of "alarm and muster" that had been carefully developed months before, in reaction to the colonists' impotent response to the Powder Alarm of September 1774. This system was an improved version of an old network of widespread notification and fast deployment of local militia forces in times of emergency. The colonists had periodically used this system all the way back to the early years of Indian wars in the colony, before it fell into disuse in the French and Indian War. In addition to other express riders delivering messages, bells, drums, alarm guns, bonfires, and a trumpet were used for rapid communication from town to town, notifying the rebels in dozens of eastern Massachusetts villages that they should muster their militias because the regulars in numbers greater than 500 were leaving Boston with possible hostile intentions. This system was so effective that people in towns 25 miles (40 km) from Boston were aware of the army's movements while they were still unloading boats in Cambridge.[52] Unlike in the Powder Alarm, the alarm raised by the three riders successfully allowed the militia to repel the British troops in Concord, after which the British were harried by the growing colonial militia all the way back to Boston.


Happy now? Sarah Palin is insane, and the idea of her running a country is terrifying, but, it's stupid to ridicule her on the odd occasion that she's correct, even if she ***** up the delivery.
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#105 Jul 15 2011 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
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He who warned uh, the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms, uh by ringing those bells, and um, makin' sure as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed.


Do I really have to go through and point out the multiple reasons why this is not a correct statement? Check it against your wiki source if you'd like.

In addendum: Like others here, I have absolutely no problem with Palin messing up the history in a spur-of-the-moment quip to reporters. That's completely defensible. What isn't defensible is trying to revise history, or suggest that her off-hand quote is an accurate portrayal of the events. It simply isn't, by any significant measure.

Edited, Jul 15th 2011 4:26pm by Eske
#106 Jul 15 2011 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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wikipedia wrote:
One week later, General Gage received instructions from Secretary of State William Legge, Earl of Dartmouth, to disarm the rebels, who were known to have hidden weapons in Concord, among other locations, and to imprison the rebellion's leaders,


and

wikipedia wrote:
Between 9 and 10 p.m. on the night of April 18, 1775, Joseph Warren told Revere and William Dawes that the king's troops were about to embark in boats from Boston bound for Cambridge and the road to Lexington and Concord. Warren's intelligence suggested that the most likely objectives of the regulars' movements later that night would be the capture of Adams and Hancock. They did not worry about the possibility of regulars marching to Concord, since the supplies at Concord were safe, but they did think their leaders in Lexington were unaware of the potential danger that night. Revere and Dawes were sent out to warn them and to alert colonial militias in nearby towns.[39][40]


Is:

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He who warned uh, the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms


Although,

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uh by ringing those bells, and um, makin' sure as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed."



Perhaps, on this one occasion, the British weren't going after the cache of arms in Concord, but, had they pulled off a successful, sort-of surprise attack without someone warning the revolutionaries about it, what would have stopped them? One thing leads to the other. Relative accuracy, not complete accuracy, but close enough to not bother making an issue of it. There are bigger issues than one person, who is unlikely to ever become president of anything, being slightly wrong about one thing.

Like I said, I don't like her, but I'm not going to fault someone for being relatively accurate as opposed to completely accurate, I'll fault them for being a dumb, crazy cnut instead.
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#107 Jul 15 2011 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
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Driftwood wrote:
Relative accuracy, not complete accuracy, but close enough to not bother making an issue of it. There are bigger issues than one person, who is unlikely to ever become president of anything, being slightly wrong about one thing.

Like I said, I don't like her, but I'm not going to fault someone for being relatively accurate as opposed to completely accurate, I'll fault them for being a dumb, crazy cnut instead.


Nothing that you quoted above is where the issue lies. Revere did not warn the British that they would not be taking our arms by ringing bells. Nor did he fire warning shots, as I understand it. The statement is, at best, half correct, and that's being pretty generous. If you call that "relatively accurate" then I'd say that you have some very low standards for accuracy.

I'm not the least bit surprised at the response that the press made of such an error, considering who Palin is and what kind of attention she gets. You, nor anyone else, should be, either.

Edited, Jul 15th 2011 4:48pm by Eske
#108REDACTED, Posted: Jul 15 2011 at 6:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) These falling standards are why the American empire is collapsing.
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#110 Jul 16 2011 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/sarah-palin-movie-debuts-to-empty-theater-in-orange-county/241983/

I'll just leave this here...
#111 Jul 16 2011 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/sarah-palin-movie-debuts-to-empty-theater-in-orange-county/241983/

I'll just leave this here...


Did you miss Cat's post...? Smiley: lol
#112 Jul 16 2011 at 2:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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I actually feel bad for Sarah Palin. She must be surrounded by the stupidest people in the universe if they thought there was any type of logic behind releasing a documentary opposite Harry Potter and in between movies like Transformers and Captain America.
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#113 Jul 16 2011 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/sarah-palin-movie-debuts-to-empty-theater-in-orange-county/241983/

I'll just leave this here...


Did you miss Cat's post...? Smiley: lol
yes ma'am.

It's so funny, it's worth posting twice, though.
#114 Jul 16 2011 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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"In hindsight, do you wish you'd had one more screen showing Harry Potter?"

Palin, she's bad for big business.
#115 Jul 16 2011 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Is the retro-kitsch 1982 clamshell VHS case looking movie poster intentional or did they actually bring in a graphic artist via time machine to design it?


Maybe they're attempting to reassure the people with a more simpler time. Or they really are stuck a few decades behind the rest of the country, like Idaho circa Napoleon dynamite.
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I actually feel bad for Sarah Palin. She must be surrounded by the stupidest people in the universe if they thought there was any type of logic behind releasing a documentary opposite Harry Potter and in between movies like Transformers and Captain America.

Is there a lot of audience cross-over there?

"honey, do you want to see the American propaganda film with the giant robots, the American propaganda film with the ****-punching superhero or the American propaganda film with the lady whose job is to cry about how mean everyone is to her?"
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