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#27 Jun 14 2011 at 5:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not entirely certain, but don't gbaji and Alma tend to categorize themselves as libertarian leaning if not libertarian?
#28 Jun 14 2011 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:
I'm not entirely certain, but don't gbaji and Alma tend to categorize themselves as libertarian leaning if not libertarian?

Demea wrote:
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Q.E.D.

Edited, Jun 14th 2011 6:32pm by Demea
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#29 Jun 14 2011 at 5:51 PM Rating: Decent
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According to author David McRaney's post on the subject, we have a tendency to believe things even more when our beliefs are challenged


If joph and gbaj are using each other to solidify their beliefs - what is the purpose of Varus?


Comic relief.
#30 Jun 14 2011 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#31 Jun 14 2011 at 6:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Allegory wrote:
I'm not entirely certain, but don't gbaji and Alma tend to categorize themselves as libertarian leaning if not libertarian?

Never bother enough to read Alma posts, Gbaji however, if he's libertarian he sure seems to argue hard core right-wing ideology.
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#32 Jun 14 2011 at 6:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Allegory wrote:
I'm not entirely certain, but don't gbaji and Alma tend to categorize themselves as libertarian leaning if not libertarian?

Libertarian is just a word for "embarrassed Republican".
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#33 Jun 14 2011 at 6:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Libertarian is just a word for "embarrassed Republican".

They were tea partiers before it was cool.
#34 Jun 14 2011 at 6:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Republican is just a word for "embarrassed Tea Partier".
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#35 Jun 14 2011 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Kastigir wrote:
Allegory wrote:
I'm not entirely certain, but don't gbaji and Alma tend to categorize themselves as libertarian leaning if not libertarian?

Never bother enough to read Alma posts, Gbaji however, if he's libertarian he sure seems to argue hard core right-wing ideology.


Libertarian is generally considered to be farther "right wing" than conservative. Of course, I suppose that depends on what you consider right wing. I generally tend to caveat most of my positions with the statement that I'm a Republican rather that a Libertarian, so I'm not 100% opposed to all government programs, I don't believe we should eliminate the US military and just rely on state militias for defense, I don't argue for abolishing the Federal Reserve and/or returning to the gold standard, and well... a whole bunch of other things that libertarians tend to support, but which while theoretically valid, are simply impractical in todays world.

I do think that libertarian principles should be the starting point for any conservative. It's just that when those things are put into a party platform, they don't work. It's great, for instance, to say that anyone should be able to marry anyone else regardless of sexual orientation. But their position assumes that government isn't involved in marriage at all. Since it is, the question is more complex. Lots of stuff that libertarians argue for suffer from that flaw.

The Republican party tries to strike a balance between the reality of the world we're in right now (government spending on tons of stuff), while applying those conservative principles to the greatest degree possible and practical. Unfortunately, this leads to easy charges of being inconsistent or hypocritical ("If you say you believe in small government, then you must oppose spending on education!" or "You oppose the new health care reform, but you still want to spend money on Social Security. You're a hypocrite!"). But it's about striking a balance, and that's always harder than it sounds.
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#36 Jun 14 2011 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Demea wrote:
Allegory wrote:
I'm not entirely certain, but don't gbaji and Alma tend to categorize themselves as libertarian leaning if not libertarian?

Demea wrote:
(relatively sane)

Q.E.D.

Edited, Jun 14th 2011 6:32pm by Demea


So MDenham?

Scratch that, not MDemham, he was dreamwalking and consulting oracles last I checked.
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#37REDACTED, Posted: Jun 15 2011 at 8:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#38 Jun 15 2011 at 8:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
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Republican is just a word for "embarrassed Tea Partier".


Yes we get that you're terrified of Palin and Bachman.





Most people are.
#39 Jun 15 2011 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Nadenu wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,

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Republican is just a word for "embarrassed Tea Partier".


Yes we get that you're terrified of Palin and Bachman.
Most people are.
Hey, they're both a great boon to Obama for the 2012 re-election campaign.
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I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#40 Jun 15 2011 at 9:23 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Yes we get that you're terrified of Palin and Bachman.
Anyone that spends about $150k of someone else's money on clothes for essentially an extended job interview terrifies me, yes.

Edited, Jun 15th 2011 11:23pm by lolgaxe
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#41 Jun 16 2011 at 8:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Palin is terrified of Bachmann so Varus might be kind of correct if you jumble his word order enough.
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