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#252 Jun 14 2011 at 3:51 PM Rating: Default
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And that makes total sense to me as well. The thing is, the other people don't care about you and your problem, but their precious movie. Unless you are willing to stay out of the theater until the babysitter gets there, you're walking in front of people 4 times.

I personally think the care of your children is more important than a movie, but these posters don't think that way. That is unless they think those text messages would be more annoying than walking in front of the screen 4 times.


I don't know about this "four times" sh*t. I would've walked out into the lobby and stayed there until I knew my kids were taken care of. Which would be polite. Of course no one else in the theater cares about my problem. They shouldn't. It's not really their business. But sitting there with my phone open for a half an hour, waiting to see if my kid was taken care of, is ridiculous and rude.


That's why I said unless you're staying out and waiting for confirmation.
#253 Jun 14 2011 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Which they do, and the person in question was obnoxious enough while breaking the rule to get kicked out. I'm sure you could be the world's most secretive texter, but the person kicked out of the theater wasn't.
I stated that I believe the person who got kicked out was full of crap. I don't believe her side of the story and I don't feel sorry for her. I could be wrong, I just don't think so.
So why have you been going on about it for the last week?
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#254 Jun 14 2011 at 6:01 PM Rating: Default
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Which they do, and the person in question was obnoxious enough while breaking the rule to get kicked out. I'm sure you could be the world's most secretive texter, but the person kicked out of the theater wasn't.
I stated that I believe the person who got kicked out was full of crap. I don't believe her side of the story and I don't feel sorry for her. I could be wrong, I just don't think so.
So why have you been going on about it for the last week?


I haven't.
#255 Jun 14 2011 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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If you know you might get a call, sit near the aisle. Really that hard to figure out?


This.

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I don't know about this "four times" sh*t. I would've walked out into the lobby and stayed there until I knew my kids were taken care of. Which would be polite. Of course no one else in the theater cares about my problem. They shouldn't. It's not really their business. But sitting there with my phone open for a half an hour, waiting to see if my kid was taken care of, is ridiculous and rude.


And this. Bolded part especially.

#256 Jun 14 2011 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
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Or you're not doing your job of training your employees/subordinates properly.
Nope, I was right. If you're not receiving phone calls outside of your work hours, then either you, your position or the actual problem isn't important.


If you're receiving phone calls outside of work then either it's an issue/problem that needs your attention right now or you're being relied on for inane and unnecessary tasks/problems due to improperly trained subs.

Sure I can tell someone where the Fruit Loops are in the snack room, but that doesn't make my job important.
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Or you're not doing your job of training your employees/subordinates properly.
Nope, I was right. If you're not receiving phone calls outside of your work hours, then either you, your position or the actual problem isn't important.


If you're receiving phone calls outside of work then either it's an issue/problem that needs your attention right now or you're being relied on for inane and unnecessary tasks/problems due to improperly trained subs.

Sure I can tell someone where the Fruit Loops are in the snack room, but that doesn't make my job important.


Just give up, you're wrong. Like I said. You can have a well trained staff that knows the answer to a problem. If your staff isn't notifying you on their suggestion, then you simply aren't that important.

If you're the head honcho, then you should be notified immediately either before or after such a decision is made. You can try to downplay it all you want with the "fruit loops", but that just tells me that you've never had such responsibility. Then again, maybe the military just operates completely different. I'm not saying the military is "right", as it does a lot of stupid stuff, just different.

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If you're the head honcho, then you should be notified immediately either before or after such a decision is made.!
Maybe, I suppose, if you're a control freak. And that may be a prerequisite of the military. But just because they needed to notify you, doesn't make it an emergency you need to deal with right then.
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#260 Jun 14 2011 at 7:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Micromanaging is actually frowned upon.
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Like I said. You can have a well trained staff that knows the answer to a problem. If your staff isn't notifying you on their suggestion, then you simply aren't that important.


I honestly believe you've somehow confused "important" with "stuck in the middle of something". Important people don't involve themselves with the day to day work. They're doing more "important" things. Lower level management/supervisors (bad ones at that) engage in the kind of micromanagement you're describing. That doesn't make them important at all. It makes them poor time managers.

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If you're the head honcho, then you should be notified immediately either before or after such a decision is made.


You're kidding, right? So the CEO of the company should be informed of, and respond to, every action or decision taken by anyone who works in the company? Um... No. It doesn't work that way. The reason he's the CEO is likely because he realizes that that's the wrong way to manage people. It doesn't scale well, and the whole "I have to respond to text messages from my team at any time of the day and night no matter what!" is why it's the wrong way to manage people.

You're using a poor management style to justify doing something which clearly does bother many people. Perhaps you should rethink what you're doing? Just a thought.


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You can try to downplay it all you want with the "fruit loops", but that just tells me that you've never had such responsibility.


That's not responsibility though. You can be responsible and also be smart about how you fulfill your responsibilities. What you are describing is bad management, nothing more.


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Then again, maybe the military just operates completely different. I'm not saying the military is "right", as it does a lot of stupid stuff, just different.


The military does operate differently. I remember once getting into an argument with a co-worker of mine who was also in the Marine Corps about the correct method to do some task. I was watching what he was doing and commented that it would be much more efficient and faster if he did it some other way. He insisted that this was how he was taught to do it in the corps, so it must be the "right way". I had to point out to him that many of the mundane/menial/boring tasks the military has you perform are deliberately made to be done in the most inefficient way possible because they need to keep you busy. There are only so many dishes to wash, latrines to clean, floors to mop, etc and far far more soldiers on a given military base than could possibly be kept busy with the work. Anything they can do to make it take longer to do any one of those is beneficial.


I'm not sure that applies directly to management of a team of people though. Usually, the military is actually quite good at that sort of thing (for what should be obvious reasons). If you think that being responsible for a team of subordinates means you have to respond to a text message from any of them at any time of the day or night immediately, then either you're being used by someone, or you developed that micromanagement style on your own. You should be teaching them to solve their own problems. Off hours messages requiring response should be rare and should be of the extreme emergency nature. Not "I can't find a report". If your staff is calling you about stuff like that, either you or they are failing at their jobs.
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(Link below probably SFW unless you work with minors...definitely don't click near kids.)

In all that babble, you're failing to recognize one of the core issues being brought up here:

You are attempting to represent the people who want to text in movies.

You are aware that there are people who find texting in movies annoying.

Despite knowing this information, you are implying that the texter's own needs take priority over everyone else because it's not REALLY inconveniencing things--in the texter's point of view--and everyone who thinks otherwise is "selfish and inconsiderate of other people's lives."

HAHAHAHAHA.

Do you honestly think you sound convincing like that?
#263 Jun 14 2011 at 10:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Alma strikes me as the kind of person that WANTS to get a text in the theater so he can look around at everyone watching him be important.
#264 Jun 14 2011 at 11:58 PM Rating: Good
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After reading Wikipedia on micromanagement I understand Alma better and his posts are starting to make sense.


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A micromanager tends to require constant and detailed performance feedback and tends to be excessively focused on procedural trivia (often in detail greater than he can actually process) rather than on overall performance, quality and results. This focus on "low-level" trivia often delays decisions, clouds overall goals and objectives, restricts the flow of information between employees, and guides the various aspects of a project in different and often opposed directions. Many micromanagers accept such inefficiencies because those micromanagers consider the outcome of a project less important than their retention of control or of the appearance of control.



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Micromanagement resembles addiction in that although most micromanagers are behaviorally dependent on control over others, both as a lifestyle and as a means of maintaining that lifestyle, many of them fail to recognize and acknowledge their dependence even when everyone around them observes it.


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Micromanagement can be distinguished from the mere tendency of a manager to perform duties assigned to a subordinate. When a manager can perform a worker's job more efficiently than the worker can, the result is merely suboptimal management: Although the company suffers lost opportunities because the manager would be still better at doing his own job (see comparative advantage), the worker's job is still being done well. In micromanagement, the manager not only tells a subordinate what to do but dictates that the job be done a certain way regardless of whether that way is the most effective or efficient one.


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In many cases of micromanagement, managers select and implement processes and procedures not for business reasons but rather to enable themselves to feel useful and valuable and/or create the appearance of being so. A frequent cause of such micromanagement patterns is a manager's perception or fear that he lacks the competence and creative capabilities necessary for his position in the larger corporate structure. In reaction to this fear, the manager creates a "fiefdom" within which he selects performance standards not on the basis of their relevance to the corporation's interest but rather on the basis of his or her division's ability to satisfy them.


Like I said you're not doing your job if you're getting as many 'important' phone calls as you claim.
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There's nothing good about IED's.

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Micromanaging is actually frowned upon.


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After reading Wikipedia on micromanagement I understand Alma better and his posts are starting to make sense.


I don't micromanage and you can ask any of my NCO's. I just give them a task and a suggested method. I don't care how they do it, I just want it done. However, if something major happens, I would like to know about it, as every other staff officer would. That's exactly what I said also, if something MAJOR happens. That's not micromanaging, that's being informed.


The last thing you want is to be in a staff call meeting and the commander/xo or somebody asks you about something that you don't know anything about. That's why a battalion XO will brief the Commander on EVERYTHING before s/he goes into a briefing with higher. If the commander is blind sided by information that you (as a XO/CSM) knew about, then you have failed your commander, plain and simple.

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I honestly believe you've somehow confused "important" with "stuck in the middle of something". Important people don't involve themselves with the day to day work. They're doing more "important" things. Lower level management/supervisors (bad ones at that) engage in the kind of micromanagement you're describing. That doesn't make them important at all. It makes them poor time managers.


I'm not going to respond to your post because you ignored my reply to you.

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Alma strikes me as the kind of person that WANTS to get a text in the theater so he can look around at everyone watching him be important.


Outside the theater, probably. Inside the theater, no.

Edited, Jun 15th 2011 12:56pm by Almalieque
#266 Jun 15 2011 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
I don't micromanage and you can ask any of my NCO's.

I'm not sure how happy they'd be with their boss giving out their contact information to a bunch of strangers just so he could continue an argument on the internet, but I guess you'd know them better than I!
#267 Jun 15 2011 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque: the silver lining of IED's.


There's nothing good about IED's.

I'm guessing the point (which you predictably miss) is that there would be if you stepped on one.

Edit: It should also be assumed that were any of us serving with you, you'd likely be an ideal candidate for fragging.

Edited, Jun 15th 2011 9:50am by MoebiusLord
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And that makes total sense to me as well. The thing is, the other people don't care about you and your problem, but their precious movie. Unless you are willing to stay out of the theater until the babysitter gets there, you're walking in front of people 4 times.

I personally think the care of your children is more important than a movie, but these posters don't think that way. That is unless they think those text messages would be more annoying than walking in front of the screen 4 times.


Who's job is it to handle the watching of the children? The parents or the moviegoers?
Who's failure is it if they did not handle the problem before going to the movies? The parents or the moviegoers?
Who's experience is being hurt by this failure, if there are texts/calls made? The parents or the moviegoers?
Who's experience should be impacted by this failure, eg, who is at fault? The parents or the moviegoers?
How can this situation more equitably be handled?

Hint: it neither involves running around the theater 4 times or incessantly texting to other people while others try to watch a film they paid to see.

It involves stepping out, preferably before the film starts, making a call to ensure the problem is solved, and then quietly sitting back down.

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I don't micromanage and you can ask any of my NCO's.


Send contact info and I'll ask them.

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There's nothing good about IED's.

I'm guessing the point (which you predictably miss) is that there would be if you stepped on one.

Edit: It should also be assumed that were any of us serving with you, you'd likely be an ideal candidate for fragging.


I don't think that it's unreasonable to say that Alma could stand to take a few hundred nails and ball bearings.
#270 Jun 15 2011 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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There's nothing good about IED's.

I'm guessing the point (which you predictably miss) is that there would be if you stepped on one.

Edit: It should also be assumed that were any of us serving with you, you'd likely be an ideal candidate for fragging.


I don't think that it's unreasonable to say that Alma could stand to take a few hundred nails and ball bearings.

It would certainly improve his posts.
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If only he were a real soldier and put anywhere near those situations.
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#272 Jun 15 2011 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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If only he were a real soldier and put anywhere near those situations.

Meh, his ******** $40k truck would save him.
#273 Jun 15 2011 at 4:22 PM Rating: Default
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Who's job is it to handle the watching of the children? The parents or the moviegoers?
Who's failure is it if they did not handle the problem before going to the movies? The parents or the moviegoers?
Who's experience is being hurt by this failure, if there are texts/calls made? The parents or the moviegoers?
Who's experience should be impacted by this failure, eg, who is at fault? The parents or the moviegoers?
How can this situation more equitably be handled?

Hint: it neither involves running around the theater 4 times or incessantly texting to other people while others try to watch a film they paid to see.

It involves stepping out, preferably before the film starts, making a call to ensure the problem is solved, and then quietly sitting back down.


Who didn't understand the scenario?

Hint: you

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I'm guessing the point (which you predictably miss) is that there would be if you stepped on one.

Edit: It should also be assumed that were any of us serving with you, you'd likely be an ideal candidate for fragging.


There's nothing funny about IED's.
#274 Jun 15 2011 at 4:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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There's nothing funny about IED's.


Sure there is. Picture Porky Pig raping an IED. That shit's fucking funny.
#275 Jun 15 2011 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I have to say Belkira, that combined with the D&D session, you've got a dirtier mind than I gave you credit for.
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I have to say Belkira, that combined with the D&D session, you've got a dirtier mind than I gave you credit for.


I was shocked myself.
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