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#177 Jun 09 2011 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Which is exactly what I just said you said. Yay! You're back on the same page as you started. Still meaningless as the number of immigrants a country allows has little to do with the number of immigrants that get in.


Which was not the matter at hand.

It is, actually. Which is why you should learn to make relevant arguments.


So you're discussing illegal immigration here? I believe the rest of us were discussing the immigration appeal of our respective countries. Given that undocumented immigrants are, you know, undocumented, it's somewhat pointless to bring them into a discussion that relies on solid statistics.

Go ahead, I'll give you some time to backtrack again.
#178 Jun 09 2011 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
It's taking you longer to reply than normal, Moe. I really hope you've given up on refusing to wear the Life Alert bracelet Karen and I got you. It's for your own good!
#179 Jun 09 2011 at 2:36 PM Rating: Excellent
nonwto wrote:
So you're discussing illegal immigration here? I believe the rest of us were discussing the immigration appeal of our respective countries. Given that undocumented immigrants are, you know, undocumented, it's somewhat pointless to bring them into a discussion that relies on solid statistics.

Go ahead, I'll give you some time to backtrack again.

Hi, thread-reader. Wait, no, that's not right. If you'd read the thread you'd see that it was I who brought up the immigration discussion with this quote right here:
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The day the rest of the world stops climbing over themselves to come and share the blessing of liberty that have been secured for ourselves and our posterity, I'll consider interpreting things in a more global manner.

Ah, the rest of the world: 6 billion people that love my culture and my freedom but can't wait to burn my flag and spit in my face because I know it.

Just because Ari used numbers to try and limit the scope doesn't mean she was successful or right.

If you're not talking about what I'm talking about, URDOINITRONG!
#180 Jun 09 2011 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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It's taking you longer to reply than normal, Moe. I really hope you've given up on refusing to wear the Life Alert bracelet Karen and I got you. It's for your own good!

I'm leaving the office now. The odds of me responding again today are slim. Not that they were high to begin with, but I didn't want you to worry.
#181 Jun 09 2011 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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#182 Jun 09 2011 at 2:45 PM Rating: Default
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Just because Ari used numbers to try and limit the scope doesn't mean she was successful or right.


That malicious bastards, introducing relevant statistics into a discussion. How dare he come into this thread and try to stir up **** with a post like that.

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Keep me updated, chap.
#183 Jun 09 2011 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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#184 Jun 09 2011 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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In terms of immigration, the point isn't about how many succeed in immigrating, but how many want to. Moe's statement was about people crawling over each other to come live in the US. If we opened our immigration up more, more people would come here. Nearly without limit.


As to the whole UN Declaration of Human Rights? Very poetic. But it's also more or less meaningless as far as legal documents go.

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Most of the first lot pretty much most Americans would agree with. Several of the amendments are pretty much identical, except reworded or spread among several amendments. The major difference between the two bills is that there is no U.N. "Human Right" to bear arms.



No. The biggest difference is that there is no mechanism within the UN to require that member states comply with said declaration much less enforce them in any way. The reason the UN is a joke is because it claims to hold to high standards of liberty and justice and whatnot, but it allows anyone to join, no matter how little those member nations actually meet those standards. The result is predictable. The number of nations who actively violate those principles, or don't care enough to bother enforcing them in any way have outnumbered the relatively small number of original charter nations who did care about those things and intended them to be principles the UN would act to foster around the globe.

That group of nations uses the UN to allow them to continue to commit the very atrocities and human rights violations the UN was originally founded to try to prevent. They've figured out that if they get onto the right committees they can make sure that they aren't investigated for violations, and UN membership protects them from any external interference. That's why the council on human rights includes such standard bearers of human rights like China, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Pakistan, and Russia.


Until the UN actually imposes its own claimed ideals on its own members, it will remain a meaningless joke.
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#185 Jun 09 2011 at 9:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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And everytime you call me darling I start playing with my *******. Now don't you feel dirty?


No, I feel turned on. I ********** to bad, bad things. A horny stupid incoherent socialised psychopath is slow day material.


This was rated down? Who the hell is the varus lover? Please be a man, he needs one. BAD.
#186 Jun 10 2011 at 12:13 AM Rating: Good
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Some people are just faint of heart. Smiley: lol
#187 Jun 10 2011 at 4:32 AM Rating: Good
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Ari, you know Moe is trolling you, right? I mean, think about it, no one could possibly think America is still the land of the free, with liberty and justice for all, any more.
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#188REDACTED, Posted: Jun 10 2011 at 8:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nadenu,
#189 Jun 10 2011 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
nonwto wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Just because Ari used numbers to try and limit the scope doesn't mean she was successful or right.


That malicious bastards, introducing relevant statistics into a discussion. How dare he come into this thread and try to stir up sh*t with a post like that.

But the statistics comparing legal immigration in Switzerland and Germany, EU countries where immigration is facilitated by rule & proximity, to the legal immigration statistics for the U.S., where legal immigration makes up a significantly smaller fraction of the whole than in the EU, are not relevant. The situations are not comparable and attempts to make them so are simply made to re-frame an unfavorable topic.
#190 Jun 10 2011 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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But the statistics comparing legal immigration in Switzerland and Germany, EU countries where immigration is facilitated by rule & proximity, to the legal immigration statistics for the U.S., where legal immigration makes up a significantly smaller fraction of the whole than in the EU, are not relevant. The situations are not comparable and attempts to make them so are simply made to re-frame an unfavorable topic.

Are you fucking kidding me? Spain gets hundreds of thousands of illegals coming up from Africa, because it's so close by boat. From there they truck all over Europe. To a lesser extent all the European nations on the Mediterranean get illegals directly boating over. That's why all the controversy in Europe about all the Muslim migrants who are felt not to be integrating, and thus controversial laws about no child being allowing to wear a hijab to public school, while Christians and Jews can wear necklaces with crosses or stars.

Not only do illegals boat from Africa to Spain/France, then truck up through the rest of Western Europe, and take container ships to England, but there are a bunch of illegals pouring into the EU coming in from Eastern Europe, Russia and Central Asia.

Edited, Jun 11th 2011 2:38am by Aripyanfar
#191 Jun 10 2011 at 8:49 PM Rating: Default
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MoebiusLord wrote:
But the statistics comparing legal immigration in Switzerland and Germany, EU countries where immigration is facilitated by rule & proximity, to the legal immigration statistics for the U.S., where legal immigration makes up a significantly smaller fraction of the whole than in the EU, are not relevant. The situations are not comparable and attempts to make them so are simply made to re-frame an unfavorable topic.

Are you fucking kidding me? Spain gets hundreds of thousands of illegals coming up from Africa, because it's so close by boat. From there they truck all over Europe. To a lesser extent all the European nations on the Mediterranean get illegals directly boating over. That's why all the controversy in Europe about all the Muslim migrants who are felt not to be integrating, and thus controversial laws about no child being allowing to where a hijab to public school, whild Christians and Jews can wear necklaces with crosses or stars.


You could always go the time tested route of putting them on a train to Polen.

Too soon?
#192 Jun 11 2011 at 12:40 AM Rating: Good
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You could always go the time tested route of putting them on a train to Polen.

Too soon?

You'd have a hard time rounding up all the Polish nannies. The double-income households in Britain are very fond of them. Smiley: disappointed
#193 Jun 11 2011 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
nonwto wrote:
You could always go the time tested route of putting them on a train to Polen.

Too soon?

You'd have a hard time rounding up all the Polish nannies. The double-income households in Britain are very fond of them. Smiley: disappointed
Much for the same reason that Mexican gardeners are popular in the US, I'd imagine.
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#194REDACTED, Posted: Jun 11 2011 at 11:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) They come here and they put their Mexicanic lawns down on us. I want America to be about Americans.
#195 Jun 11 2011 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
You'd have a hard time rounding up all the Polish nannies. The double-income households in Britain are very fond of them. Smiley: disappointed

Near me, we're all about the Polish house cleaners. Although, to be honest, "Polish cleaning service" is probably 25% "Old world work ethic" and 75% "You won't have a Mexican in your house".
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