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#127 Jun 09 2011 at 11:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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The day the rest of the world stops climbing over themselves to come and share the blessing of liberty that have been secured for ourselves and our posterity, I'll consider interpreting things in a more global manner.

Ah, the rest of the world: 6 billion people that love my culture and my freedom but can't wait to burn my flag and spit in my face because I know it.
Americentric again. Half the world has people from the other half of the world climbing over themselves to get in. All of the nations of Western Europe, Britain, Australa, New Zealand... South East Asia is full of refugees from the Middle East. It's not only America with a huge migrant population, with queues up the wazoo to get in. Skilled migrants, Family reunion migrants, student migrants, marriage migrants, refugees from boats and on foot, we get scads of them.

20% of the Swiss population is foreign born.
Australia Net migration rate - 6.23 migrant(s)/1,000 population. In Australia, 24% of the total population is foreign born.
USA Net migration rate - 4.32 migrant(s)/1,000 population. In the USA, 13% of the population was foreign-born in 2009
German citizens of immigrant background: 10%

Edited, Jun 9th 2011 1:42pm by Aripyanfar
#128 Jun 09 2011 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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Do your numbers include Americo?
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#129 Jun 09 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
I'm sure Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave, though.
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#130 Jun 09 2011 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
I'm sure Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave, though.
Funny, I would've thought the only thing you'd think TJ was doing was rotting.
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#131 Jun 09 2011 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
I'm sure Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave, though.
Funny, I would've thought the only thing you'd think TJ was doing was rotting.
Figure of speech.
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#132 Jun 09 2011 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
Aripyanfar wrote:
Americentric again.

You bet your f'ucking ***, sweetheart. :)

Aripyanfar wrote:
20% of the Swiss population is foreign born.

Wow. 1.6 million people. Impressive.
Aripyanfar wrote:
In Australia, 24% of the total population is foreign born.

Getting even better: 5.4 million. Not bad.
Aripyanfar wrote:
In the USA, 13% of the population was foreign-born in 2009

Holy f'uck! 40.5 million people?

What a country.
#133 Jun 09 2011 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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It's still not the whole rest of the world climbing over themselves to get into America, though, is it sweetpea? :)

America is getting a proportionate number of applicants, according to its size. And so is half the rest of the world.

Edited, Jun 9th 2011 2:03pm by Aripyanfar
#134REDACTED, Posted: Jun 09 2011 at 12:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just for the sake of clarity, the US has relatively draconian immigrations policies. It doesn't take a great deal of effort to get from Libya, Tunisia etc to European (held) territory and when the people arrive they're handled differently than in the US. Mexicans who show up, AFAIK, aren't treated as refugees from the drug war, many are undocumented etc. I've heard that it's also quite easy to immigrate between EU countries as well. All of these are going to skew the numbers a bit.
#135 Jun 09 2011 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Americentric again.

You bet your f'ucking ***, sweetheart. :)

Aripyanfar wrote:
20% of the Swiss population is foreign born.

Wow. 1.6 million people. Impressive.
Aripyanfar wrote:
In Australia, 24% of the total population is foreign born.

Getting even better: 5.4 million. Not bad.
Aripyanfar wrote:
In the USA, 13% of the population was foreign-born in 2009

Holy f'uck! 40.5 million people?

What a country.

******* per capita, how does it work?
#136 Jun 09 2011 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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The US has always had problems with illegal immigrants. Just ask the Native Americans.
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#137 Jun 09 2011 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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Per capita isn't relevant here.
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#138 Jun 09 2011 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
Aripyanfar wrote:
It's still not the whole rest of the world climbing over themselves to get into America, though, is it sweetpea? :)

Yeah, it really is.
Aripyanfar wrote:
America is getting a proportionate number of applicants, according to its size. And so is half the rest of the world.

But that's not really the right way to look at it. It is getting a hugely disproportionate percentage of the whole.
#139 Jun 09 2011 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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@#%^ing per capita, how does it work?

F'ucking relevant arguments. How do they work?
#140 Jun 09 2011 at 12:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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The US has always had problems with illegal immigrants. Just ask the Native Americans.

I LOLd
#141 Jun 09 2011 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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Turkey, a primarily Muslim country at the crossroads of three continents, actually draws people from all over near Africa, EAstern and Northern Europe, the Middle East etc. Although Turkey overall has low net positive immigration.

Modern migrants are from Armenia, the Republic of Moldova, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia, Pakistan and so on. A little further back migrants were from the Balkans (Balkan Turks, Albanians, Bosniaks, Pomaks), Caucasus (Abkhazians, Ajarians, 'Circassians', Chechens), Crimea (Crimean Tatar diaspora) and Crete.

Edited, Jun 9th 2011 2:26pm by Aripyanfar
#142 Jun 09 2011 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Excellent mimicry of Cliff Clavin. 8/10.
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#143 Jun 09 2011 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Excellent mimicry of Cliff Clavin. 8/10.

I LOLd. Even harder when I read it in John Ratzenberger's voice.
#144 Jun 09 2011 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
It's still not the whole rest of the world climbing over themselves to get into America, though, is it sweetpea? :)

Yeah, it really is.
Aripyanfar wrote:
America is getting a proportionate number of applicants, according to its size. And so is half the rest of the world.

But that's not really the right way to look at it. It is getting a hugely disproportionate percentage of the whole.

Uh, no. You'd be getting a hugely disproportionate percentage of the whole if you were getting a massive amount of immigrants PER CAPITA compared with the rest of the nations of the world. If the percentage of your population who were first generation was really high compared to other nations. But both of these things are not.

Your raw numbers of immigrants are large because you have a large nation. The raw numbers of immigrants to the European Union are roughly the same, because they are roughly the same size and as nice a place to live. Switzerland is getting a hugely disproportionate percentage of the whole, at 20% of it's population being first generation immigrants.

Edited, Jun 9th 2011 2:30pm by Aripyanfar
#145 Jun 09 2011 at 12:27 PM Rating: Default
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nonwto wrote:
@#%^ing per capita, how does it work?

F'ucking relevant arguments. How do they work?


It's hardly irrelevant, my son. The number of immigrants accepted in many countries is related to the population of the country.
#146 Jun 09 2011 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
Aripyanfar wrote:
blah blah blah blah

No.
#147 Jun 09 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
nonwto wrote:
@#%^ing per capita, how does it work?

F'ucking relevant arguments. How do they work?


It's hardly irrelevant, my son. The number of immigrants accepted in many countries is related to the population of the country.

It's like a cute little puppy, hopping up and down nipping at the bottom of my shorts.

The number of immigrants in a country has little to do with how many are accepted. Shoo, or I'll swat you with a rolled up news paper.
#148 Jun 09 2011 at 1:29 PM Rating: Default
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nonwto wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
nonwto wrote:
@#%^ing per capita, how does it work?

F'ucking relevant arguments. How do they work?


It's hardly irrelevant, my son. The number of immigrants accepted in many countries is related to the population of the country.

It's like a cute little puppy, hopping up and down nipping at the bottom of my shorts.

The number of immigrants in a country has little to do with how many are accepted. Shoo, or I'll swat you with a rolled up news paper.


It's fascinating how you think you've earned the right to be condescending. Let me draw it out for you: The number of immigrants accepted is related to how many people the country already has. That's why you see similar percentages in the number of immigrants to various countries.

I realize that's pretty much exactly what I wrote before, but that's only because I made my point quite clear in the first. If you still don't understand, there's not much I can do for you.
#149 Jun 09 2011 at 1:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's fascinating how you think you've earned the right to be condescending. Let me draw it out for you: The number of immigrants accepted is related to how many people the country already has. That's why you see similar percentages in the number of immigrants to various countries.

I realize that's pretty much exactly what I wrote before, but that's only because I made my point quite clear in the first. If you still don't understand, there's not much I can do for you.

I've earned nothing, n00b. I'm an assh0le. Keep up.

You can make that point all you like, it won't change the fact that the number of immigrants accepted by a country has little to do with home many are actually there. I choose not to spell that one out for you, because I don't have to. If you can't noodle it out you should choose a different forum to test.

EDIT: Really? assh0le is filtered?

Edited, Jun 9th 2011 2:36pm by MoebiusLord
#150 Jun 09 2011 at 1:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I've earned nothing, n00b. I'm an assh0le. Keep up.


I realize you're bound to be hostile to unfamiliar things, as most crusty old men are, but I'm hardly new here. Keep up.

[quote]You can make that point all you like, it won't change the fact that the number of immigrants accepted by a country has little to do with home many are actually there.


Luckily this isn't the point I was making at all. I'm not obfuscating my point here as some stupid sort of joke, I genuinely don't know how to make it any clearer to you.
#151 Jun 09 2011 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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The illegals every country is often pretty proportional to legals. By far the majority of Australia's illegals fly over, and just over-stay their visas. 5% of our illegals come by boat.

And Moebius, you are usually smart. I don't often agree with you, but you aren't dumb. This time you are being dumb. Wherefore?

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