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#1 Jun 04 2011 at 8:20 AM Rating: Default
So I was reading this article in Al Jazeera and it mentioned how the US is retreating from a role of global leadership. Do you all figure to be accurate? What sort of impact do you suppose it will have on the world and, more importantly, the people of the US?


The recent European leadership of the Libyan intervention has been criticized as toothless and ineffective. It's not the first such case, either. If someone does replace us as the world police I don't suppose it would be a European country.

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#2 Jun 04 2011 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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I don't see anyone replacing the U.S. as "The World Police" because I don't think anyone outside the U.S. wants that title.
#3 Jun 04 2011 at 8:59 AM Rating: Default
That may well be, but this limits our ability to contain the rising powers in the world.
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Why do the rising powers need to be contained?
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#5 Jun 04 2011 at 9:13 AM Rating: Default
They're a threat to our hegemony. Not that difficult to understand.
#6 Jun 04 2011 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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I think you're just paranoid.
#7 Jun 04 2011 at 9:30 AM Rating: Default
How's that?
#8 Jun 04 2011 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
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Everything you've mentioned. Why would you or anyone care?
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Why do the rising powers need to be contained?
We got nothing better to do.
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#10 Jun 04 2011 at 3:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think its fair to say that a large part of the arab world decided some months ago that the USA is pretty irrelevant and its time that they took their future into their own hands.
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#11 Jun 04 2011 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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paulsol wrote:
I think its fair to say that a large part of the arab world decided some months ago that the USA is pretty irrelevant and its time that they took their future into their own hands.

Relevant, but unwelcome. You can't just blow off at the kind of forces we've had entrenched there the past few years/decades.

I do think that we need to tone down our aggressive tendencies some. When that puppet movie becomes more and more relevant we should be re-examine our priorities and methodologies (though it would have been somewhat amusing to see SEAL Team Six destroy half of Islamabad through collateral damage).
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paulsol wrote:
I think its fair to say that a large part of the arab world decided some months ago that the USA is pretty irrelevant and its time that they took their future into their own hands.


Hogwash! They are being taught to rely on the U.S. I mean, who wants to be an independent nation?
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We're renting land from them. Like hell the land owners want us out.
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I would argue that is probably true for the most part everywhere. That explains our relationship with China
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nonwto wrote:
They're a threat to our hegemony. Not that difficult to understand.

If we're retreating from global leadership, it's not much of a hegemony.

No one else has the ability to project military power like the US, thus no one else is equipped to play World Police like the US. Perhaps eventually someone will fill that gap but it won't be in the immediate future.
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nonwto wrote:
They're a threat to our hegemony. Not that difficult to understand.

If we're retreating from global leadership, it's not much of a hegemony.

No one else has the ability to project military power like the US, thus no one else is equipped to play World Police like the US. Perhaps eventually someone will fill that gap but it won't be in the immediate future.


Even if there existed a country with the military power, do you think a country would play that role for anything outside of money and power motivations?
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do you think a country would play that role for anything outside of money and power motivations?

I realize I wasn't being asked this question, but it seemed to be more of a general "you" than personally direct at Johpiel.

I think you don't build and maintain a massive military force without the desire to use it. I also think it's been a few hundred years since any nation has economically gained through use of their own military force.
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Allegory wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
do you think a country would play that role for anything outside of money and power motivations?

I realize I wasn't being asked this question, but it seemed to be more of a general "you" than personally direct at Johpiel.

I think you don't build and maintain a massive military force without the desire to use it. I also think it's been a few hundred years since any nation has economically gained through use of their own military force.


That's why I said outside of money and power, i.e. "world domination". I'm no history/poly sci buff or anything, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the assumption that most people develop strong military forces to either start war (for personal gains, i.e. money/power) or to defend themselves from other powerful armies. I didn't think there were too many countries who developed armies to go around and "save the day" in a "world police/Justice League" type of manner.
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Almalieque wrote:
Allegory wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
do you think a country would play that role for anything outside of money and power motivations?

I realize I wasn't being asked this question, but it seemed to be more of a general "you" than personally direct at Johpiel.

I think you don't build and maintain a massive military force without the desire to use it. I also think it's been a few hundred years since any nation has economically gained through use of their own military force.


That's why I said outside of money and power, i.e. "world domination". I'm no history/poly sci buff or anything, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the assumption that most people develop strong military forces to either start war (for personal gains, i.e. money/power) or to defend themselves from other powerful armies. I didn't think there were too many countries who developed armies to go around and "save the day" in a "world police/Justice League" type of manner.

Well to be fair, after the Cold War ended we needed a reason to keep our military and R&D budgets floating. What better than to take on the rest of the world?
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Almalieque wrote:
I didn't think there were too many countries who developed armies to go around and "save the day" in a "world police/Justice League" type of manner.

That's pretty much what the U.S. has been doing.

You mentioned "outside of money and power," and I wanted to remark on two points. The first being is that it's just power, not money. Nations haven't profited through military force in a long time. Pretty much the only way to profit through use of a military is to plunder, which nearly everyone is adverse to these days. The second point was that "power" and "playing world police" are the same thing. The U.S. has been spending billions of dollars forcing brown people to dance when we tell them, how we tell them.
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Allegory wrote:
That's pretty much what the U.S. has been doing.


That's my point.. I don't know of anyone outside of the U.S. that has done that nor do I see any other country interested in doing that, hence, I don't see another country fulfilling that role.

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The second point was that "power" and "playing world police" are the same thing. The U.S. has been spending billions of dollars forcing brown people to dance when we tell them, how we tell them.


They are not the same thing. Power can be good or bad. "World Police", is under the assumption of good and not personal greed/gain and domination.
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Almalieque wrote:
"World Police", is under the assumption of good and not personal greed/gain and domination.

That depends on which end of the service revolver you're on.
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Almalieque wrote:
I didn't think there were too many countries who developed armies to go around and "save the day" in a "world police/Justice League" type of manner.
That's what Canada's military is for. For anything major, we just run home, go upstairs and hide in our room and let our parents down below us take care of the problem.
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Almalieque wrote:
I didn't think there were too many countries who developed armies to go around and "save the day" in a "world police/Justice League" type of manner.
That's what Canada's military is for. For anything major, we just run home, go upstairs and hide in our room and let our parents down below us take care of the problem.
Listen young country, if you don't stop picking fights with your sister nations, we're just going to turn this world around and call this vacation off.
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Almalieque wrote:
I didn't think there were too many countries who developed armies to go around and "save the day" in a "world police/Justice League" type of manner.


Alright. Who hacked almas account and used it to say something that I agree with?
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