varusword75 wrote:
It was about property rights. Just so happened slavery still existed.
Slaves being the property in question.
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Slaves being the property in question.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
So it was about slaves and stating the issue was about property rights just carries less stigma, but means the exact same thing.
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MoebiusLord wrote:
The greatest tax sinks in this country are in urban areas, because that's where the majority of those on the dole live. The majority of our urban centers are not in the former Confederate states. So, while we may have fewer to deal with the expenditures would be heavier as the tax base would be reduced but the populations relying on it would be a greater percentage of the whole.
I think he's referring to the former confederate states tending to receive more tax money than they contribute.
edit: whoa way late with that. Allakhazam showed this thread as only having 1 new post.
Edited, Jun 10th 2011 9:36am by Allegory
Uglysasquatch wrote:
So it was about slaves and stating the issue was about property rights just carries less stigma, but means the exact same thing.
Revisionist history by people who need to make their defeat sound more noble than "We got our asses kicked when we refused to stop owning other humans as property".
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#133REDACTED,
Posted: Jun 10 2011 at 9:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I guess the facts that Lincoln defended slavery as a lawyer, married a woman from a slave owning family, supported slave owners in politics, considered black to be lesser than whites and wanted them to leave the country, said "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it", etc etc etc, are all revisionism as well, yeah?
I never said the Union went to war to end slavery, I said the Confederacy seceded to preserve it.
But, aside from you getting that basic point wrong... yeah. Hurpaderp.
But, aside from you getting that basic point wrong... yeah. Hurpaderp.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#135REDACTED,
Posted: Jun 10 2011 at 9:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cool semantics argument bro.
Allegory wrote:
I think he's referring to the former confederate states tending to receive more tax money than they contribute.
I know what he was talking about. It doesn't change the fact that there would still be plenty of Northern tax sinks left. According to your table, 21 of 37 states would still receive more than they pay in. Granted, that's a smaller percentage than exists today, but it's still considerable.
Yeah, literacy is a real *****, huh?
Well, you typed "hurpaderp" so that probably counts for something. If you're Carlos Mencia circa 2005, anyway.
Well, you typed "hurpaderp" so that probably counts for something. If you're Carlos Mencia circa 2005, anyway.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#138REDACTED,
Posted: Jun 10 2011 at 9:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lol wut's an internet meme
nonwto wrote:
Look, if the north was willing to end the war with slavery intact, and the south wasn't willing to end the war and join the union with slavery intact, it wasn't a war about slavery, was it?
When come back, lern history thx
Protip: Lincoln =/= North
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lol wut's an internet meme
See above.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#140REDACTED,
Posted: Jun 10 2011 at 9:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You mean the USG approved, politically correct version of history?
lulz
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
nonwto wrote:
Last I checked the president was elected by a majority of the people
Ask Al Gore if that's true.
#143REDACTED,
Posted: Jun 10 2011 at 10:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I gave him a call and he told me he lost the electoral vote.
nonwto wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
nonwto wrote:
Look, if the north was willing to end the war with slavery intact, and the south wasn't willing to end the war and join the union with slavery intact, it wasn't a war about slavery, was it?
When come back, lern history thx
You mean the USG approved, politically correct version of history?
Last I checked the president was elected by a majority of the people to lead the country as well as the armed forces. So president = Lincoln = North.
Deal with it.
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Lincoln only won enough of the electoral college vote in a 4 way race were his name wasn't even on all the ballots. It can't be said that Lincoln would have won the election if Bell or Breckinridge hadn't run due to the split in the Democrat party thus Preventing Douglas from winning only one state.
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nonwto wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
nonwto wrote:
Last I checked the president was elected by a majority of the people
Ask Al Gore if that's true.
I gave him a call and he told me he lost the electoral vote.
Thanks. It's nice when you can be big enough to admit you're an ******.
Given that secession started just weeks after Lincoln's election, before Buchanan had even left office, it's kind of a moot point.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#147REDACTED,
Posted: Jun 10 2011 at 11:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sure thing. Now where were we at? Discussing how Bush led the civil war after winning the presidency on a technicality, right?
That's more a "the South can't seem to do anything right" discussion.
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varusword75 wrote:
lolgax,
We're pretty d*mn good at sports.
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That's more a "the South can't seem to do anything right" discussion.
We're pretty d*mn good at sports.
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