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#102 Jun 02 2011 at 8:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Debalic wrote:
I find it disturbing that so many people consider recovering the economy as "actively harmful to America".


It's a conundrum that only reveals itself once you realize that many things which are actively harmful to America are mislabeled as "recovering the economy". Like, for example, a whole set of spending/stimulus related bills which appear to have done little if anything to help the economy recover from the economic problem we were in, yet have collectively contributed significantly to creating a second, arguably more serious economic problem. Or a health care reform bill, which was passed in response to rising health insurance costs, which appears to do nothing at all to actually decrease those costs, while instead simply foisting the same over-priced system on more people at taxpayer expense. Yeah. Those Dems are real problem solvers, aren't they?


The first thing you have to understand about liberal politics is that their goals are not to make things cheaper, or more efficient, or more equal. They use those arguments to get people to support them politically so they can pass new legislation, but their objective is simply to make more people dependent on the government. That's it. More people on food stamps. More people on welfare. More people on disability. More people reliant on government for their retirements, their health care, their housing, their transportation. Everything. That's the objective. That's the one overarching common factor that can be found in liberal political activities.

Everything else is window dressing and salesmanship used to get people to vote for them so they can do this. They don't care about gay rights, or womens rights, or minority rights. They don't care about the poor, or the hungry, or the homeless. They don't care about the working class either. The evidence of this can be seen when they have the power and the choice to actually do something about those things and they consistently choose to not fix the problems, but instead to treat the symptoms with yet more big government. They don't want people to not be poor. They want to make sure that poor people become dependent on government assistance. In nearly all cases, there are relatively straightforward solutions to the problems/causes the left takes up, yet they *always* choose the one which is more expensive, more time consuming, and less straightforward in terms of how it will "fix" the problem at hand. And in each case what do we find? Their "solution" just conveniently happens to involve large government entitlements.


They don't fix problems. They pay people for having them. Think about that. Just look at how many people in this thread alone didn't see a problem with food stamp numbers being so high. Instead of seeing that this means that there are more poor people in need today than there were just a few years ago, they see this as the government helping more people! Sorry, but that's an insane way to look at this. Totally, utterly, insane.
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#103 Jun 02 2011 at 9:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
a whole set of spending/stimulus related bills which appear to have done little if anything to help the economy recover from the economic problem we were in

Heh.
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#104 Jun 02 2011 at 9:43 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
a whole set of spending/stimulus related bills which appear to have done little if anything to help the economy recover from the economic problem we were in

Heh.


Phantom figures on jobs "created or saved" aside, there's no indication that any of that spending actually helped the economy in any way at all.
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#105 Jun 02 2011 at 9:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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If we don't count anything that hurts our argument, it MUST be solid!
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#106REDACTED, Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 8:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#107 Jun 03 2011 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
I'm not sure how much it helped the economy, but I'm damn pleased they fixed up the 316 to I-85 merger with stimulus money. That particular intersection was the #1 reason I dreaded driving to Atlanta. Now I can merge without fear for my life! Thank you, stimulus!
#108 Jun 03 2011 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
What is your argument, that the economy is recovering quite nicely?

Try and keep up next time, ok? This isn't the remedial class.
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#109REDACTED, Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 8:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#110 Jun 03 2011 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
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I'm laping you.
A cold jelly noodle dish?
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#111 Jun 03 2011 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Keep up? I'm so far ahead i'm laping you.

And yet still asking basic questions like a confused child.
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#112REDACTED, Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 9:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,
#113 Jun 03 2011 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're so far ahead that you have to ask basic questions because I won't answer complicated questions while you're lapping me, so far ahead that you need answers to basic questions...?

You haven't thought this one through, have you? :D
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#114 Jun 03 2011 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
If we don't count anything that hurts our argument, it MUST be solid!


Phantom figures don't hurt my argument Joph. They do hurt yours. What is the point of saying you "created or saved" 3.5 million jobs, during the same time period in which unemployment jumped 2-3 percentage points? Isn't it the end number that counts?

Same deal with the food stamps issue. We can sit here and cherry pick employment figures on jobs created and whatnot, but if the number of people signing up for food stamps is still increasing, then we're still moving in the wrong direction, aren't we?
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#115 Jun 03 2011 at 2:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Phantom figures don't hurt my argument Joph. They do hurt yours.

Yet, oddly, I'm not frantically trying to deny any economic studies. Go figure.
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#116 Jun 03 2011 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Phantom figures don't hurt my argument Joph. They do hurt yours.

Yet, oddly, I'm not frantically trying to deny any economic studies. Go figure.


Neither am I.
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#117 Jun 03 2011 at 3:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm sure you believe that :)
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#118 Jun 03 2011 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm sure you believe that :)


I believe that because it's true. No one posted any economic studies in this thread. Someone did post a link to a BLS report and I pointed out to them that the numbers didn't mean what they thought they did, but that's not the same as trying to "deny" an economic study.
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#119 Jun 03 2011 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
Keep up? I'm so far ahead i'm laping you.

And yet still asking basic questions like a confused child.

I say we start calling him Donny.
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#120 Jun 03 2011 at 3:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
No one posted any economic studies in this thread.

Ah, so you were just confused on what I was saying.
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#121REDACTED, Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 3:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Unemployment up...number of bums on food stamps up...economic growth stagnant...market down...housing industry down...
#122 Jun 03 2011 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
Unemployment up...number of bums on food stamps up...economic growth stagnant...market down...housing industry down...

Must really suck to be a Democrat these days.
I'm sure in the world in your head that's the case. Although I must say, the world your imagination is a really shitty one. Come back to the real world, it's nicer than you think.



Edited, Jun 3rd 2011 6:58pm by bsphil
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#123 Jun 03 2011 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
And no Obama's f*cked this economy up all by himself.



Really? As fun as it is to see someone so extreme I don't know how anyone can possibly make a comment like this. It takes more than one.
#124 Jun 03 2011 at 6:50 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
No one posted any economic studies in this thread.

Ah, so you were just confused on what I was saying.


Not this fucking lame-*** bit again! Are you kidding me?


gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Phantom figures don't hurt my argument Joph. They do hurt yours.

Yet, oddly, I'm not frantically trying to deny any economic studies. Go figure.


Neither am I.


Jophiel wrote:
I'm sure you believe that :)



WTF do you think I'm confused about? Seriously? Talk about desperation.
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#125 Jun 03 2011 at 6:51 PM Rating: Default
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MentalFrog wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
And no Obama's f*cked this economy up all by himself.



Really? As fun as it is to see someone so extreme I don't know how anyone can possibly make a comment like this. It takes more than one.


Obama and the Democrats in Congress. Happy?
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#126 Jun 03 2011 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
WTF do you think I'm confused about? Seriously?

Holy fuck you cry like a girl. Seriously. Do you take even a minute away from your never-ending petulance that not everyone posts just how you want them to?

I was referring to past threads about the stimulus and studies where you continually denied that any positive studies were valid because they must have all been dirty socialists or something. I figured that was obvious since they were some pretty lengthy threads and assumed you remembered that they existed but... yeah, keep pouting and stomping your feet.

"OMG! WTF!! Why, seriously! You can't be serious, for sure! GAWD!!!"
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