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#27 Jun 01 2011 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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No, no... I quite remember being told at the time that the economy was simply wonderful and any dissent was nothing more than liberal wishfulness that bush was less than perfect.

Yeah, but I've read the guys that told you that, and he's got issues.
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#29 Jun 01 2011 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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Likely because unemployment didn't go higher than 10% for more than a month since Obama took office. I imagine if he'd been able to do what he said he would do it would probably have been less than that. If only those 1.8 million people had jobs.

That would be nice, huh? At least he was able to keep it from getting worse than that. None of which explains the growth of food stamps from Oct 2007 through 2008.
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#30 Jun 01 2011 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can promise you the trillion $ "stimulus" and obamacare have done more to harm this country than anything the GOP or W could have imagined.

Well, only because W's bailout was only $800 billion. If he'd had any balls it would have been easy to imagine.


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The economy was recovering before Obama took office.

Whaa... I don't even... Huh?

Edit: orders of magnitude frighten me.

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I can promise you the trillion $ "stimulus" and obamacare have done more to harm this country than anything the GOP or W could have imagined.

That's a promise of great value, I'm sure. Oh, wait... no. It's just the cranking of a disgruntled idiot.
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#32 Jun 01 2011 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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So, you're saying it's gotten worse since Obama took office and capped unemployment at 8%? I'm glad he & Uncle Joe have ushered in the recovery we so desperately needed.
What, did you assume that an economic downturn would mean that fewer people would be on food stamps?



Edited, Jun 1st 2011 1:34pm by bsphil
Typically during an economic down turn the food stamp rolls skyrocket because not only are there more unemployed or underemployed that are now eligible, but to confound things the states will typically cut back on the welfare rolls. Once poor-joe is knocked off TANF he's eligible for food stamps.




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#33 Jun 01 2011 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
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So, you're saying it's gotten worse since Obama took office and capped unemployment at 8%? I'm glad he & Uncle Joe have ushered in the recovery we so desperately needed.
What, did you assume that an economic downturn would mean that fewer people would be on food stamps?


I think the point is that we shouldn't still be in an economic downturn. Said downturn started in the last year of Bush's administration. Not enough time for any sort of recovery, so your statement fully applies there. But we should expect some sort of recovery 3+ years later and yet the numbers are not only still at full downturn levels but have continued to get worse.

It's not an apples to apples thing.
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The economy was recovering before Obama took office.
Whaa... I don't even... Huh?
Really? You don't? Considering who posted it?
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#35 Jun 01 2011 at 2:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think the point is that we shouldn't still be in an economic downturn.

The point was that Varus heard some snippet and jumped on it without thinking. Luckily, he has you to pinch-hit for him.

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#36 Jun 01 2011 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I think the point is that we shouldn't still be in an economic downturn.

The point was that Varus heard some snippet and jumped on it without thinking. Luckily, he has you to pinch-hit for him.


Varus' rationale aside, that doesn't change the very real fact that it's troubling that those numbers are still increasing 3 years after the triggering economic downturn. To be fair, it does look like the rate of increase is tapering off, but that's still rate of increase not actual number of food stamps. We'd need to have a couple years of double digit percent decreases just to get us back onto the "normal" trend line for food stamp usage prior to the downturn.

It's kinda like saying we're getting a wildfire under control because its rate of growth has slowed. That's something, I guess, but it means we're still a long way from full recovery.
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It's kinda like saying we're getting a wildfire under control because its rate of growth has slowed. That's something, I guess, but it means we're still a long way from full recovery.

Who said we were at a full recovery or anything of the sort? If employment is a trailing indicator of economic health, it stands to reason that getting off public aid would trail even that since you need to be actually getting back on your feet.

I don't think anyone is actually arguing so much as being unimpressed by the obvious.
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I mean they've been telling us about this "recovery" for over a year now. As long as everyones just making sh*t up I figured what the h*ll.
You don't even appear to know what the word means.
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You don't even appear to know what the word means.


"Hell"?

...He'll learn.
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Since when has "learning" ever been associated with Varus?
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Democrats make sh*t up all the time; why can't I?
It requires everyone else to pretend you already don't make shit up all the time.
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At a low point in my life I was on food stamps. I was unemployed (downsized), and my then-fiance was a grad student. Every possible cent we had was going to rent and bills, and there just wasn't enough cash to eat after that.

Fun facts:

- The maximum amount for single people is $200ish dollars. For families, it's around $400/month.
- Food stamps, or the EBT cards used today, have no cash value.
- You cannot buy alcohol of any sort with them.
- You cannot buy cigarettes or any smoking accessories with them.
- You cannot buy other necessities like personal hygiene items, household cleaners, dishes, trash bags, etc. If it cannot be consumed, it cannot be bought.
- Grocery stories that accept EBT systems automatically calculate the food bits, and the customer is on the hook for anything that wasn't counted. So they have to pay that $5 for those trash bags by some other means.
- If you see someone using food stamps to buy booze, cigs, or other non-food things, contact your state and report the store. They're doing it wrong and can have their ability to accept food stamps revoked. States HATE people cheating the system, and will demand that stores surrender receipts when they get investigated.
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Jophiel wrote:
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It's kinda like saying we're getting a wildfire under control because its rate of growth has slowed. That's something, I guess, but it means we're still a long way from full recovery.

Who said we were at a full recovery or anything of the sort?


Who said anyone said that? I said that current indicators are that we are still a long way from full recovery. You do agree that the objective here is full recovery eventually, right? I think it's quite fair to measure our progress towards that goal. And that progress has been slow at best.


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If employment is a trailing indicator of economic health, it stands to reason that getting off public aid would trail even that since you need to be actually getting back on your feet.

I don't think anyone is actually arguing so much as being unimpressed by the obvious.


Way to downplay there Joph. You're a real trooper! So you agree that it's "obvious" that the Democrats have not done well in terms of economic recovery? You'll get no argument from me.

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At a low point in my life I was on food stamps. I was unemployed (downsized), and my then-fiance was a grad student. Every possible cent we had was going to rent and bills, and there just wasn't enough cash to eat after that.

Fun facts:

- The maximum amount for single people is $200ish dollars. For families, it's around $400/month.
- Food stamps, or the EBT cards used today, have no cash value.
- You cannot buy alcohol of any sort with them.
- You cannot buy cigarettes or any smoking accessories with them.
- You cannot buy other necessities like personal hygiene items, household cleaners, dishes, trash bags, etc. If it cannot be consumed, it cannot be bought.
- Grocery stories that accept EBT systems automatically calculate the food bits, and the customer is on the hook for anything that wasn't counted. So they have to pay that $5 for those trash bags by some other means.
- If you see someone using food stamps to buy booze, cigs, or other non-food things, contact your state and report the store. They're doing it wrong and can have their ability to accept food stamps revoked. States HATE people cheating the system, and will demand that stores surrender receipts when they get investigated.


Lol. Except maybe Democrats in California. Apparently, any attempt to change the law so that people can't use the EBT card to buy alcohol and cigarettes is some kind of gross violation of the rights of the poor.
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You'll get no argument from me.
Remark not intended to be a factual statement.
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You'll get no argument from me.
Remark not intended to be a factual statement.


That doesn't even make sense.
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gbaji wrote:
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You'll get no argument from me.
Remark not intended to be a factual statement.
That doesn't even make sense.
And proven.
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So you agree that it's "obvious" that the Democrats have not done well in terms of economic recovery?

Not at all. I'd post comments from people far more qualified than you to opine on it but, funny enough, that would get an argument from you :)
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So you agree that it's "obvious" that the Democrats have not done well in terms of economic recovery?

Not at all.


Well which is it then? Either it's some shocking new claim to say that we're a far way away from recovery, or it's "obvious" that we are? We both know you said that to dismiss it as unimportant Joph, but it kinda is. The lackluster recovery rate is going to be one of the biggest issues in next years election. I know that the Dems will make every effort to try to make it about other stuff, but shouldn't that be the most important thing? And what does it tell us that you guys want to badly to talk about anything else?

If things were going well, the Dems would be talking about how well they are going. But they're not, are they?


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I'd post comments from people far more qualified than you to opine on it but, funny enough, that would get an argument from you :)


Wait! Let me guess? "More qualified" also happens to mean "left leaning"?
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Well which is it then?

Erm, neither? There's nothing shocking about the fact that public aid would have grown during a recession nor that it would have slowed, but not yet receded as job growth has slowly picked up.
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I know that the Dems will make every effort to try to make it about other stuff

So how's that "All jobs, all the time" House agenda coming along for ya? So far they've... umm... well, I guess they put some Planned Parenthood workers out of a job. That's like a "jobs agenda"...
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Wait! Let me guess? "More qualified" also happens to mean "left leaning"?

Well, golly! They disagree with your seasoned analysis so I guess there's no other explanation!
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