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#102 Jun 01 2011 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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Sorry I know how badly you want to believe W started the war with Iraq but that's just another msm lie you've chosen to believe as truth.

Iraq started the war.

Explain.
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#105 Jun 01 2011 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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Remind me again how many "armed conflicts" Obama is commanding?
Remind me again how many "armed conflicts" Bush started?
The one Obama is ending without securing a region and the one Obama has more than doubled forces in since he took office.
You're right, cleaning up after such a huge ineffective clusterfuck does suck.
Yeah, that's why the death toll in Afghanistan has more than doubled since the Prez took office, because it was so poorly managed before (Under GW for 8 years: 630 dead; Under BO for <2.5 years: 973 dead). Woo hoo! On pace for a 400% increase in casualties for like periods.
Woo hoo, and the death rate in Iraq shrunk considerably (hit 4,000 March 2008, 4,436 January 2011), and a 100% death rate for Bin Laden.

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#106 Jun 01 2011 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're right, cleaning up after such a huge ineffective clusterfuck does suck.
Yeah, that's why the death toll in Afghanistan has more than doubled since the Prez took office, because it was so poorly managed before (Under GW for 8 years: 630 dead; Under BO for <2.5 years: 973 dead). Woo hoo! On pace for a 400% increase in casualties for like periods.

Makes sense. Getting serious in a region that was neglected for six years does sound as though it would result in higher casualties.
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#107 Jun 01 2011 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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You're right, cleaning up after such a huge ineffective clusterfuck does suck.
Yeah, that's why the death toll in Afghanistan has more than doubled since the Prez took office, because it was so poorly managed before (Under GW for 8 years: 630 dead; Under BO for <2.5 years: 973 dead). Woo hoo! On pace for a 400% increase in casualties for like periods.

Makes sense. Getting serious in a region that was neglected for six years does sound as though it would result in higher casualties.

As long as you can rationalize it so it doesn't reflect poorly on Obama I suppose you're going to be happy with it.
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#108 Jun 01 2011 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Varus, even if you were right, there was still absolutely no legal basis for a "continuation".
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#109 Jun 01 2011 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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As long as you can rationalize it so it doesn't reflect poorly on Obama I suppose you're going to be happy with it.

Yeah. ******* thing, logic and information. Ruins a good whine-fest all the time :(
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#110 Jun 01 2011 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm more appreciative of the administration that sent me in country in a vehicle that barely vibrated rolling directly over an IED than I am in the one that sent me in a vehicle that flipped over twice, broke both of my legs and killed my gunner when it drove next to an IED.

But hey, go ahead and give your personal accounts on why one administration is better during these stupid conflicts.
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#111 Jun 01 2011 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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I'm more appreciative of the administration that sent me in country in a vehicle that barely vibrated rolling directly over an IED than I am in the one that sent me in a vehicle that flipped over twice, broke both of my legs and killed my gunner when it drove next to an IED.


During the Bush administration, the Suzuki Sidekick was the standard troop transport vehicle.
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#112 Jun 01 2011 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
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varusword75 wrote:
Remind me again how many "armed conflicts" Obama is commanding?
Remind me again how many "armed conflicts" Bush started?
The one Obama is ending without securing a region and the one Obama has more than doubled forces in since he took office.
You're right, cleaning up after such a huge ineffective clusterfuck does suck.

Yeah, that's why the death toll in Afghanistan has more than doubled since the Prez took office, because it was so poorly managed before (Under GW for 8 years: 630 dead; Under BO for <2.5 years: 973 dead). Woo hoo! On pace for a 400% increase in casualties for like periods.
Haven't your troop numbers in Afghan dramatically jumped since Obama took over?
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#113 Jun 01 2011 at 10:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's just rationalizing, man!
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#114 Jun 01 2011 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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That's just rationalizing, man!
Oh right. So its fair for me to say then that since Canada's only lost 150+ soldiers in the almost 10 years we've been there that we have better soldiers and leaders, since we're not putting any value in troop counts here.

You guys have an inferior military.
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#116 Jun 01 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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Yeah, that's why the death toll in Afghanistan has more than doubled since the Prez took office, because it was so poorly managed before (Under GW for 8 years: 630 dead; Under BO for <2.5 years: 973 dead). Woo hoo! On pace for a 400% increase in casualties for like periods.
Haven't your troop numbers in Afghan dramatically jumped since Obama took over?

2008 US Troops in Afghanistan: 30,100
2008 US Troop Deaths in Afghanistan: 155

2010 US Troops in Afghanistan: 63,500
2010 US Troop Deaths in Afghanistan: 499

Troop Increase: ~ 110%
Death Toll Increase: ~ 222%

On the up side, this year we're only on pace for ~400 dead in Afghanistan, so that gotta be good.
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#118 Jun 01 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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On the up side, this year we're only on pace for ~400 dead in Afghanistan, so that gotta be good.
See, a silver lining.
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#119 Jun 01 2011 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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Haven't your troop numbers in Afghan dramatically jumped since Obama took over?


Not 400% jacka*s.
What are you complaining about, its reducing the number of Federal employees.
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#120 Jun 01 2011 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Even after that W still took the time to get congressional approval (something Obama has yet to even conisder in Lybia).

Congress doesn't seem to mind. Not enough to take any action.

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#123 Jun 01 2011 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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That all... what?

You have no idea how government works, huh? That's okay, I'm sure the nice radio-man will tell you what to complain about next.
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#124 Jun 01 2011 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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Ugly,

I don't consider soldiers as federal employees.

What about the rest of the military?
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#125 Jun 01 2011 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
I don't consider soldiers as federal employees.
Well, that'd make you incorrect, but for you that's just par for the course anyway.
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#126 Jun 01 2011 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
I don't consider soldiers as federal employees.
Just pesky dead bodies to use when whining about golf.
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