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#127 May 27 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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I'm very disappointed in you Eske. You were a beacon of hope for me. A sign that what I aspired to could be achieved but over the last 24 hours, you've been doing your damnedest to shatter that dream. I'm going to have carry on without you now.


Well, his last post was like the brutal hangover that the AA member gets after falling off the wagon. I just got a big fat reminder of why I wasn't doing that.

Sorry Alma, you're back on ignore.

PS: Hey, I'll throw you a bone, since I realize that this one's tough to phrase properly. Keep reading this, and maybe you'll suss out what I was saying:

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I can objectively say that X percentage of people find blacks less attractive. By their usage, if less people find you attractive, then you're less attractive.


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#128 May 27 2011 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default
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Eske Esquire wrote:
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I'm very disappointed in you Eske. You were a beacon of hope for me. A sign that what I aspired to could be achieved but over the last 24 hours, you've been doing your damnedest to shatter that dream. I'm going to have carry on without you now.


Well, his last post was like the brutal hangover that the AA member gets after falling off the wagon. I just got a big fat reminder of why I wasn't doing that.

Sorry Alma, you're back on ignore.

Edited, May 27th 2011 1:30pm by Eske


Trust me, it's for your own benefit, supporting racism doesn't make you look reasonable.

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I can objectively say that X percentage of people find blacks less attractive. By their usage, if less people find you attractive, then less people find you attractive.


FTFY

Edited, May 27th 2011 7:36pm by Almalieque
#129 May 27 2011 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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Don't open that post Eske. It's full of stupid.
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#130Almalieque, Posted: May 27 2011 at 11:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ironically, I just finished watching another episode of South Park when Kyle was voted "ugliest child in the class". I started to think about this conversation. I can only imagine you all talking to your son/daughter about being made fun of in school.
#131 May 27 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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#132 May 27 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Okay, okay, just one more hit. Then I swear, I'm quitting for good.

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I can objectively say that X percentage of people find blacks less attractive. By their usage, if less people find you attractive, then less people find you attractive.


FTFY


You're close. Please let me steer you through to the finish on this one:

Attractiveness is subjective, right? As in, there's no independent, in-a-void, rational measure of it for any one person. It's based entirely on how others perceive you. That comes from our culture, our biological makeup, our upbringing, society, etc.

That considered,

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[whether]...people find you attractive.


...is all there is to it. Whether you're attractive depends entirely on if people find you attractive. That's the only measure we have for it; it's what the word means. If you break down the word's etymology, it's "the capacity to attract." Who are you attracting? Others! It's a measure of what other people think of you. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to say "If less people find you attractive, then you are less attractive."

There you go, dude. That's what you've got to work with. Ciao.

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Don't open that post Eske. It's full of stupid.


I'm ashamed of myself. I actually am. Not even kidding.

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Edited, May 27th 2011 1:54pm by Eske
#133 May 27 2011 at 12:30 PM Rating: Default
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Eske wrote:
Who are you attracting? Others! It's a measure of what other people think of you.


Exactly...

So, if one group of people find you attractive, how does that make you objectively overall "unattractive". Because another group of people find you unattractive? Unless you believe that NO POPULATION finds black women attractive, then you have no argument.

My entire argument is that the overall attractiveness of a group varies on the population you ask, not some standard of attractiveness. Your only counter would be that every single racial population rates every other racial population the same exact way. Do you honestly believe that is the case? Really? Really?

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Okay, okay, just one more hit. Then I swear, I'm quitting for good.


Honestly.. you should stop.. I mean, unless you don't care being a racist.
#134 May 27 2011 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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#135 May 27 2011 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I find it funny that when I claim that I don't want to share a room or shower with a guy who might be attracted with me (because he's attracted to other men), I'm called a homophobe, but you wont label a study that claims that black women are objectively less attractive than other races as racist.
Which is further funnier because even you said the study probably wasn't racist on page one.
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This is nothing but a prejudice/ignorant/probably, but not necessarily, racist study.
Thanks for highlighting my point?
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#136 May 27 2011 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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lolgaxe wrote:
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I find it funny that when I claim that I don't want to share a room or shower with a guy who might be attracted with me (because he's attracted to other men), I'm called a homophobe, but you wont label a study that claims that black women are objectively less attractive than other races as racist.
Which is further funnier because even you said the study probably wasn't racist on page one.
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This is nothing but a prejudice/ignorant/probably, but not necessarily, racist study.
Thanks for highlighting my point?


I'm not sure what your interpretation of that statement is, but that means, it could or could not be racist. I said that because at the time, I didn't read the study. People are quick to label everything "racist" when you discuss race, but there is a difference between in being prejudice and being racist. I didn't want to quickly label it racist without knowing much of if, but I did know enough to say it was prejudice and ignorant.

After reading more of the study, I came to the conclusion that there is indeed a racist undertone to the study.

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#137 May 27 2011 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure what your interpretation of that statement is, but that means, it could or could not be racist.
Hey, welcome to the point.
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I'm not sure what your interpretation of that statement is, but that means, it could or could not be racist.
Hey, welcome to the point.


Oh, my bad, I did read your original post wrong. In any case, my point still stands. I didn't say it probably wasn't racism, that it wasn't necessarily racism. I said that to avoid putting my foot in my mouth if I were wrong.
#139 May 27 2011 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
Can't we move on to the topic of how stupid it is that you're expected to hang out with people based on ethnic background?

I was... strongly encouraged to mingle with the people from the same continent as me when I started college, based on the fact that we were from the same continent. Funnily enough, the brown Polish guy with a British passport was not.

I didn't really in the end because coincidentally, all the Europeans at my college are kind of lame.
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Can't we move on to the topic of how stupid it is that you're expected to hang out with people based on ethnic background?

I was... strongly encouraged to mingle with the people from the same continent as me when I started college, based on the fact that we were from the same continent. Funnily enough, the brown Polish guy with a British passport was not.

I didn't really in the end because coincidentally, all the Europeans at my college are kind of lame.


While "forcing" someone to do so is stupid, the feeling is natural, especially in a college environment. It wasn't a coincidence that all of the foreign students at my college were friends with each other. The Indians were friends with other Indians, Chinese with Chinese, Japanese with Japanese, Russians with Russians, etc. It's all about being with people that relates to you the most, understands you the best and share the same interests.

As you stated, that doesn't necessarily mean that people from the same ethnicity share the same interests as you. As a result, it is stupid to "force" a relationship based on something like that.
#141 May 27 2011 at 4:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Can't we move on to the topic of how stupid it is that you're expected to hang out with people based on ethnic background?

I was... strongly encouraged to mingle with the people from the same continent as me when I started college, based on the fact that we were from the same continent. Funnily enough, the brown Polish guy with a British passport was not.

I didn't really in the end because coincidentally, all the Europeans at my college are kind of lame.


While "forcing" someone to do so is stupid, the feeling is natural, especially in a college environment. It wasn't a coincidence that all of the foreign students at my college were friends with each other. The Indians were friends with other Indians, Chinese with Chinese, Japanese with Japanese, Russians with Russians, etc. It's all about being with people that relates to you the most, understands you the best and share the same interests.

As you stated, that doesn't necessarily mean that people from the same ethnicity share the same interests as you. As a result, it is stupid to "force" a relationship based on something like that.


See, I know people for whom that works fine, but most of my friends are clearly outside that group. One of the most awesome people I know is a Catholic-raised upper class Muslamic Infidel Communist (and yes, that sums him up as well as anything could), where does he fit in? I'm ultimately in a similar position, I'm one of those minorities that just don't exist. The German people I know here are a lot less American than me, if that makes sense.
And I guess that's part of the reason I want to go to Pakistan for a while to live; I wouldn't be part of a group and could actually mingle. I don't get all the Germans who go to Israel.

I don't know, it all has its pros and cons. Here, staying in your own community gets enforced, but it's much easier to get Halal/Kosher food because it's quite normal to keep your customs, while in other countries like France there's a lot less segregation but it's also harder to live a lifestyle appropriate with your own culture. I think it should be easy to achieve both, but it seems to tend toward one or the other.
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Almalieque wrote:
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Can't we move on to the topic of how stupid it is that you're expected to hang out with people based on ethnic background?

I was... strongly encouraged to mingle with the people from the same continent as me when I started college, based on the fact that we were from the same continent. Funnily enough, the brown Polish guy with a British passport was not.

I didn't really in the end because coincidentally, all the Europeans at my college are kind of lame.


While "forcing" someone to do so is stupid, the feeling is natural, especially in a college environment. It wasn't a coincidence that all of the foreign students at my college were friends with each other. The Indians were friends with other Indians, Chinese with Chinese, Japanese with Japanese, Russians with Russians, etc. It's all about being with people that relates to you the most, understands you the best and share the same interests.

As you stated, that doesn't necessarily mean that people from the same ethnicity share the same interests as you. As a result, it is stupid to "force" a relationship based on something like that.


See, I know people for whom that works fine, but most of my friends are clearly outside that group. One of the most awesome people I know is a Catholic-raised upper class Muslamic Infidel Communist (and yes, that sums him up as well as anything could), where does he fit in? I'm ultimately in a similar position, I'm one of those minorities that just don't exist. The German people I know here are a lot less American than me, if that makes sense.
And I guess that's part of the reason I want to go to Pakistan for a while to live; I wouldn't be part of a group and could actually mingle. I don't get all the Germans who go to Israel.

I don't know, it all has its pros and cons. Here, staying in your own community gets enforced, but it's much easier to get Halal/Kosher food because it's quite normal to keep your customs, while in other countries like France there's a lot less segregation but it's also harder to live a lifestyle appropriate with your own culture. I think it should be easy to achieve both, but it seems to tend toward one or the other.


Even people who don't "fit in" tend to get along with each other. I'm not a people person, but I do see the pro's and con's of being around people that are and aren't like you.
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Or "Obtuse". "Making it up" works too.
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Though not addressing anyone in particular, it is fully possible to objectively measure beauty.

While there are proven relativistic aspects of beauty--e.g. it has long been known that familiarity in features affects such that you'd probably find an oppositely gendered clone of yourself (for the straights) to be fairly attractive--there are also some very broad principles that appeal to everyone, that is there are some fairly universal concepts of beauty. One of these is that average features tend to be more appealing than extremes. Take two photos, any two photos (of the same gender) and use an algorithm to average the features and the result is often more attractive than either of the originals.

The way to objectively eliminate relativistic biases is simple: weighted averages of beauty ratings for a person based on the standard deviations for those ratings. The lower a person's standard deviation the greater universality of their degree of beauty.

Edited, May 27th 2011 7:55pm by Allegory
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Though not addressing anyone in particular, it is fully possible to objectively measure beauty.


You can only objectively measure what people subjectively find attractive. You can not objectively determine what size butt, length in hair, color of eyes, color of hair, height, muscular build, etc. is attractive. Those will vary and to argue otherwise is just plum silly and ignorant.

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Those will vary and to argue otherwise is just plum silly and ignorant.

The great thing about statistics is that it allows us to deal with variances. Heck, they even gave variance its own little Greek letter.

Less condescending, would you feel better if I said physical attractiveness instead of beauty? While specific individuals and even cultures can be drawn to certain unusual body types, koinophilia is a fairly well observed phenomena.

Edited, May 27th 2011 8:15pm by Allegory
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Crap now twenty pages of why statistics are biased.
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#148 May 27 2011 at 7:42 PM Rating: Default
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Allegory wrote:
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Those will vary and to argue otherwise is just plum silly and ignorant.

The great thing about statistics is that it allows us to deal with variances. Heck, they even gave variance its own little Greek letter.

Less condescending, would you feel better if I said physical attractiveness instead of beauty? While specific individuals and even cultures can be drawn to certain unusual body types, koinophilia is a fairly well observed phenomena.

Edited, May 27th 2011 8:15pm by Allegory


Like I said earlier, unless you believe that every single racial ethnicity (Black U.S., Korean, White U.S., Mexican, Indian, Puerto Rican, Pilipino, Jamaican, Chinese, English, Japanese,etc. would all vote the same in physical attractiveness/beauty, then you simply have no argument.

Do you honestly believe that every single ethnicity would vote for the same type of woman (i.e. 5'5", long blonde, blue eyes, 36/26/36, etc as "the most attractive" out of all of the numerous different possibilities? Seriously?

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Crap now twenty pages of why statistics are biased.


Don't worry. That's not going to happen.. It's abundant that people blindly take "statistics" at face value with no invested interest on how they were conducted.
#150 May 27 2011 at 8:29 PM Rating: Good
Alma, please look up koinophilia.
#151Almalieque, Posted: May 27 2011 at 8:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think it's ironic yet again that not too long ago, I was told that I think badly of women. Yet, here I am arguing that every woman can be beautiful in her own way while everyone else is arguing that there is a set definition of what pretty is. Furthermore, if you don't meet that standard, then suck it up and drive on, you're fugly.
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