double poast.
Edited, May 23rd 2011 11:21am by Sweetums
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
gbaji wrote:
When you actually pay for your own health insurance, you can always decide to change to a different insurer, or to not pay for insurance at all! I know. Freedom of choice. What a freaking concept!
And so familiar too, in 5 minutes of googling I found 61 companies to choose from for my basic insurance and every single one of them costs less than €100/month. The only difference being that I don't have the option to not pay for insurance. But really, I'll take that over not being able to afford insurance any day.
Wait, you're not American. Derp, Euros.
#104REDACTED,
Posted: May 23 2011 at 10:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is what you get when you get single payer health care Uk style;
I'm just wondering what varus would do if he were in Belki's place. Just suffer and smile because he just made such a huge sacrifice to prove a point?
Realistically, I'm sure the seven to twenty minutes would have made a difference in their survival.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
varusword75 wrote:
This is what you get when you get single payer health care Uk style;
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Two patients died after being left waiting in ambulances outside an over-stretched hospital.
The patients, believed to have been in their 80s, couldn’t get into the Royal Oldham Hospital for seven and 20 minutes respectively.
They were assessed by ambulance crews as ‘very sick’ and were both suspected of having suffered heart attacks
The patients, believed to have been in their 80s, couldn’t get into the Royal Oldham Hospital for seven and 20 minutes respectively.
They were assessed by ambulance crews as ‘very sick’ and were both suspected of having suffered heart attacks
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It is understood neither actually had suffered a heart attack by the time they were admitted – although both later died at the hospital. One died in the resuscitation unit the following day and the other three days after being admitted to a ward.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
This is what you get when you get single payer health care Uk style;
Quote:
Two patients died after being left waiting in ambulances outside an over-stretched hospital.
The patients, believed to have been in their 80s, couldn’t get into the Royal Oldham Hospital for seven and 20 minutes respectively.
They were assessed by ambulance crews as ‘very sick’ and were both suspected of having suffered heart attacks
The patients, believed to have been in their 80s, couldn’t get into the Royal Oldham Hospital for seven and 20 minutes respectively.
They were assessed by ambulance crews as ‘very sick’ and were both suspected of having suffered heart attacks
Quote:
It is understood neither actually had suffered a heart attack by the time they were admitted – although both later died at the hospital. One died in the resuscitation unit the following day and the other three days after being admitted to a ward.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
Jophiel wrote:
I think it's time we revolt and demand smiley's for all.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Nilatai wrote:
WWJD?!
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Sweetums wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
gbaji wrote:
When you actually pay for your own health insurance, you can always decide to change to a different insurer, or to not pay for insurance at all! I know. Freedom of choice. What a freaking concept!
And so familiar too, in 5 minutes of googling I found 61 companies to choose from for my basic insurance and every single one of them costs less than €100/month. The only difference being that I don't have the option to not pay for insurance. But really, I'll take that over not being able to afford insurance any day.
Wait, you're not American. Derp, Euros.
But basically there's a standard €170/year at your own risk, meaning that's what you have to pay for yourself before the insurance starts paying out.
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
WWJD?!
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Nilatai wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
WWJD?!
DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT JESUS' BALLS!
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
But basically there's a standard €170/year at your own risk, meaning that's what you have to pay for yourself before the insurance starts paying out.
That's pretty much what a deductible is. It's your obligation to the bill(s), usually on an annual basis. If you have a $1,000 deductible and break your leg, you need to pay the first $1,000 and then your insurance picks up the remainder.
Sort of related is the co-pay which is your obligation for things such as doctor's visits. So you might visit the doctor and still have to shell out your $25 co-pay as opposed to having to pay $1,000 worth of general doctor's bills before insurance will kick in.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Ah, in that case we have a standard €170 deductible which you can increase to €500 or so to lower your monthly payments.
And as far as I'm aware there's only a copay for a few things, depending on what coverage you have.
And as far as I'm aware there's only a copay for a few things, depending on what coverage you have.
Actually the deductible in Germany is a lot more complicated than that.
For each quarter, the first claim to each of A&E visits, dentistry and other medical services costs you €10. Across a year, you have to pay up to €280 in hospital bills, which means 28 days because for each day of hospitalisation anything beyond €10 is paid for by the health insurance companies.
Medications are between €5 and €10 usually, whatever is closest to 10% of the total cost, the rest gets paid for by your health insurance.
And the best thing is, once your medical bills exceed 2% (1% for the chronically ill) of your yearly income, you don't have to pay anything on top of insurance cost anymore! For me that was something silly like €85 the year I claimed it.
For each quarter, the first claim to each of A&E visits, dentistry and other medical services costs you €10. Across a year, you have to pay up to €280 in hospital bills, which means 28 days because for each day of hospitalisation anything beyond €10 is paid for by the health insurance companies.
Medications are between €5 and €10 usually, whatever is closest to 10% of the total cost, the rest gets paid for by your health insurance.
And the best thing is, once your medical bills exceed 2% (1% for the chronically ill) of your yearly income, you don't have to pay anything on top of insurance cost anymore! For me that was something silly like €85 the year I claimed it.
Stephen Hawking likes the NHS
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6017878/Stephen-Hawking-I-would-not-be-alive-without-the-NHS.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6017878/Stephen-Hawking-I-would-not-be-alive-without-the-NHS.html
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"I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," he said. "I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived."
So it's safe to say that public insurance is more important than God?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Uglysasquatch wrote:
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But the wrong answer is to find a way for government to help us pay for it
According to the New England Journal... public healthcare reduces overhead and results in less costly healthcare
The One and Only Olorinus wrote:
According to the New England Journal... public healthcare reduces overhead and results in less costly healthcare
Yeah, you're not reading that right.
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A large sum might be saved in the United States if administrative costs
could be trimmed by implementing a Canadian-style health care system.
could be trimmed by implementing a Canadian-style health care system.
Might is the key word, and won't is the proper one. American bureaucracy is much worse than Canadian.
Speaking of health care..
lolgopmedicarereform
lolgopmedicarereform
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
The One and Only Olorinus wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Quote:
But the wrong answer is to find a way for government to help us pay for it
According to the New England Journal... public healthcare reduces overhead and results in less costly healthcare
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
You should compare the US to Belgium then, Belgians have bureaucracy in two languages so it's probably twice as bad as most places.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Belgians have bureaucracy in two languages
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
You should compare the US to Belgium then, Belgians have bureaucracy in two languages so it's probably twice as bad as most places.
Yeah, but the great beer makes up for it.
Love,
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Belgians have bureaucracy in two languages
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