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I'm sure their families would have understood if the doctor had just said "hey, don't blame me, I tried".

I know that's what he wants to say. I want him to say it though.

Edited, May 26th 2011 4:38pm by bsphil

Never underestimate the British, we complain like no other nation.

If they're rational, reasonable people then they should. Unfortunately most of society is too emotion driven for this to be the case.

I'm sure you believe that, and I'm sure many others do as well. But that's still a subjective evaluation. The point I'm making is that you can't start out believing one method is best, and then create a ranking system which measures the degree to which that method is used, and then use that ranking system you just created to prove that the thing you started out believing was best is actually best.

It would be like a fan of strawberry ice cream creating a ranking system based on how much a given flavor of ice cream tasted like strawberries, and then using that ranking to prove that strawberry ice cream really was the best because ice creams with strawberries in them are ranked highest. It's completely circular and utterly meaningless.



And I'm sure it must be nice to be able to save time and resources by just not bothering to spend any money at all on treatments that fall outside the most common and therefore cost effective to treat. Oh. You have an illness that isn't on the list? Sorry. We'll just give you pain medication until you die I guess.




Your feeling is wrong. The last couple times someone made the exact same argument about the WHO ranking you made they also provided a link to the ranking itself. I just followed the link from that page to another page on the WHO site which detailed exactly how the ranking was determined. Anyone can do it. Some of us just prefer to be informed instead of ignorant.

Edited, May 26th 2011 2:46pm by gbaji

Being upset about losing a loved one doesn't require one be a prick and lash out at whoever you can.

Edited, May 26th 2011 6:46pm by Uglysasquatch

That's not how universal healthcare works, but you pay no attention to that fact as it won't help your argument.

You're correct, in this case however it was stated that they in fact did apologize.

Mhm, that's why two people in my family have received new/experimental types of radiation treatment through public health insurance. Right.

Probably not the US, you're hardly a world leader in Medical research.


edit: Okay so that jibe was unfair, perhaps I'm underestimating the US' contribution. Let's face it though, the majority of the worlds medical breakthroughs come from places like China, Japan and Europe.

Edited, May 26th 2011 6:25pm by Nilatai

So you're saying that when we switch to universal healthcare, we should continue giving out the research grants that are currently established? I wholeheartedly agree.

The one my mum received was developed by the people that administer it, the one my uncle got was still in the research stage but I know his doctor went to China fairly often for research stuff... so yeah.


And if you're talking medical research, I used to work for the institute that developed the dialysis machine as well as new kinds of biodegradable threads for stitches, so I've got first hand medical research experience outside the US myself.
I personally worked in multiple departments there, and we developed delayed action medication administering systems (similar to the contraceptive implants), did some cell growth stuff (optimising cell growth from stem cells by changing the environment we grew them in), one of the girls I worked with was developing a new antibiotic, another department I didn't have much to do with made membranes that allowed for non-human donor livers and there was some RNA research I didn't really get into very much apart from doing measuring for them.

Don't know about others, but I know that I don't pay anywhere close to $12k/year for my insurance premiums. I'd bet that I don't even pay $6k/year.

Eh, fair point.