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#52gbaji, Posted: May 16 2011 at 6:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No. Varus is right that this has nothing at all to do with the practice of shooting photos of the president giving a speech after he gave the real one on TV, and has everything to do with the faked situation room photo related to the OBL operation.
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gbaji wrote:
No. Varus is right that this has nothing at all to do with the practice of shooting photos of the president giving a speech after he gave the real one on TV, and has everything to do with the faked situation room photo related to the OBL operation.
I wish you'd stop pretending that you can easily confuse people or that you're somehow leagues more intelligent.
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It's only a non-story to democrats. To the rest of the country (independents included) it's just further proof that you can't trust anything coming out of this administration.
Try again junior. I'm a registered independent and all this "story" means to me is that president will no longer stand around after he gives a speech for a photo op. Also, if you want to talk about not being able to trust information coming out of the White House, I seem to recall something about WMDs a few years back...
This was the conversation, maybe you forgot it. Varus said that "everyone but democrats" sees this practice as yet another thing Obama lies about, which Turin said "Well, that' can't be true because I'm an independent and I, too, see it as a non-story," at which point you said that "No, Varus is right" and then went into another argument all together.

"The whole world likes chocolate." "Well, I don't." "First person is right, because I'm wearing this fine leather jacket."
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#54 May 16 2011 at 7:03 PM Rating: Default
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And after that exchange, Varus clarified what he was talking about. To you. Right after the bit you just quoted. You've got a pretty darn selective memory going on, don't you?

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Only if you believe this administration has been in charge for the last 60+ years.


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lolgax,

Nah...this is a result of the push back the administrations feelings from the now infamous pic of them all sitting around the table pretending to watch Osama being assasinated.

And all you liberals have to say is "it's a non-story". That's all you ever have to say when the Obama's really f*ck something up.


Absent the tortured grammar, it's pretty clear that he's not talking about the practice of just re-shooting speeches so as to avoid having cameras clicking while the President is on live TV. So can we stop pretending that's all this is? It's not like it's hard to connect the dots here, is it? I mean, even Varus saw right through the White House's statement about ending the practice. What's your excuse?

Edited, May 16th 2011 6:06pm by gbaji
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#55 May 16 2011 at 7:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
And after that exchange, Varus clarified what he was talking about. To you. Right after the bit you just quoted. You've got a pretty darn selective memory going on, don't you?
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Only if you believe this administration has been in charge for the last 60+ years.
I'm not sure which skin you're using, but comments higher up are said before ones lower down, right? Cuz, you know ... the comment you quoted of mine came well before the Turin/Varus conversation. Something like six hours, and still doesn't make a difference to the Turin/Varus conversation. And, you know. You still being wrong about it.

Connecting dots is easy, until someone starts adding dots to the picture.

Edited, May 16th 2011 9:13pm by lolgaxe
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gbaji wrote:
While the story just talks about the practice with regard to public speeches, the recent question about the situation room photos purporting to show senior white house officials reactions during the OBL op is clearly the reason for the change in policy.

Needed something to do after the Birther thing fell apart, I guess.
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#57 May 16 2011 at 7:38 PM Rating: Excellent
I laugh so hard when Gbaji tries to get Varus' back.
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lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
And after that exchange, Varus clarified what he was talking about. To you. Right after the bit you just quoted. You've got a pretty darn selective memory going on, don't you?
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Only if you believe this administration has been in charge for the last 60+ years.
I'm not sure which skin you're using, but comments higher up are said before ones lower down, right? Cuz, you know ... the comment you quoted of mine came well before the Turin/Varus conversation.


Yes. And my point was that even after the clarification, Turin still thought that this was just about the President no longer giving photo ops after giving a speech.

Do you see what I was getting at? Varus had already clarified that he was talking about the situation room photo, yet Turin (and others, including you) still pretended that this was just about staged photos taken after a televised speech. I quoted Turin because his was the clearest example of this.

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Something like six hours, and still doesn't make a difference to the Turin/Varus conversation. And, you know. You still being wrong about it.


Wrong about what? Varus was correct in that this is clearly about spinning the whole "faked situation room story". You don't find it the least bit suspicious that while the story talks about "suggestions of fakery" surrounding Obama's televised announcement of OBL's death, that wasn't what those suggestions were about? I don't know anyone who was pointing at the photos from the speech and saying "Those are fake!!!". There was, however, lots of buzz about the situation room photo having been faked/staged though.

But by making the story about the speech he gave, it allows them to address the "faked photo" surrounding the OBL operation, while making it appear like it was all about something relatively benign. It's designed precisely to make anyone who hears about a "faked" photo related to OBLs death think of this and not the situation room photo. You honestly don't see this? Or you do but think it's a great cover?

I honestly wonder just how far people will go to willingly participate in this sort of deception. You seriously think this was about a photo shoot taken after the Presidents speech? Cause if so, then you are gullible as hell.

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That's not the case though. Look at this from the other point of view. There's this operation to kill OBL. Obama gives a speech about it. Then the White House press corp release photos showing the senior administration officials apparently actively reacting to events as they occur during the operation, which appear in all sorts of media about the event. People dig into the issue and it turns out that said photo was staged after the fact, even after interviews and comments made by people there making it clearly appear as though the photo wasn't staged (like Clinton explaining the expression on her face in the photo for example). This is beyond just a staged photo op. This appears to be faked propaganda designed to present a false impression to the public about the operation itself.


Then, a story appears about how in the wake of concerns about a completely different staged photograph which no one cares about, the White House is looking for ways to change the policy of staging photos after live speeches. You don't see how this is spin? Honestly? It's designed to make people think the whole issue was about something other than what it actually was about. You can't see this?
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Yes. And my point was that even after the clarification, Turin still thought that this was just about the President no longer giving photo ops after giving a speech.
No, again because spelling things out for you increases my post count dramatically, Turin quoted Varus saying that everyone but Democrats see this as just another example of this administration being liars. Turin said that he, as one of those people Varus said saw this as the administration being liars, didn't see the administration as being liars. Then you came in and said that chocolate was better than vanilla.

Turin was saying that he saw this as a non-issue, contrary to what Varus was claiming. Then you came in and pretty much said that Varus is right that Independents see this as a huge story. Which, you know, is wrong just by Turin's comment.

Let's keep going, though. If you add enough different arguments (dots) to this picture of a simple stick figure, maybe you'll prove it was actually a picture of the Sistine Chapel.
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People dig into the issue and it turns out that said photo was staged after the fact, even after interviews and comments made by people there making it clearly appear as though the photo wasn't staged (like Clinton explaining the expression on her face in the photo for example).

Gratz on reading the tinfoil blogs? :D
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#62REDACTED, Posted: May 17 2011 at 7:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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The Obama administration had to come out and publicly say they're not going to be fake anymore and you don't this is a problem for him?
Can't say I see it as a problem, but I don't have irrational issues with perspective, either.
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Needed something to do after the Birther thing fell apart, I guess.


As opposed to having to apologize for Obama's continued deceit and lies?

*Yawn* Sorry, which deceit and lies were these again? They seem to change with the day, your mood, or your "sources," and yet somehow always tend to fall apart.
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He linked some blog, something titled along the lines of "The Lies of Obama". It goes on for quite a bit.
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He linked some blog, something titled along the lines of "The Lies of Obama". It goes on for quite a bit.
Can I get the cliffnotes version? Preferably in a catchy slogan, something along the lines of "Bush lied, people died"?
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#69 May 17 2011 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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I laugh so hard when Gbaji tries to get Varus' back.


Gbaji almost always backs up Varus posts. It's like Varus says what gbaji really means.
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Obama Lied, Varus Whined!
If we combined all of the various varus accounts he should have 10k by now, so I vote he have that title.
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Gbaji almost always backs up Varus posts. It's like Varus says what gbaji really means.

the funny part is how it usually goes "I don't agree with Varus but here's six paragraphs saying why he's 100% correct..."
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Tell us something we don't know.

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#74 May 17 2011 at 9:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tell us something we don't know.
Your frontal lobe is undamaged.
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lolgaxe wrote:
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Tell us something we don't know.
Your frontal lobe is undamaged.
He said tell us something we don't know, not out right lie to us.
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Jophiel wrote:
Belkira wrote:
Gbaji almost always backs up Varus posts. It's like Varus says what gbaji really means.

the funny part is how it usually goes "I don't agree with Varus but here's six paragraphs saying why he's 100% correct..."


"Of course, obviously Varus is wrong about that. But what I find telling is the [herp derp herpity derp]."

Also:

"Of course, obviously Varus is wrong about that. But what's more relevant is the [derp herp derpity herp]."
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