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#277 May 20 2011 at 6:46 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
So you're upset about the fact that you assumed the validity of an initial report and made an incorrect assumption about an unclear statement inside it that has since been clarified as people have had time to digest and process the facts?
99% of the people that read the story did the exact same thing.

In before how remark was not intended to be factual statement.
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#278 May 20 2011 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Varus said that Obama needed a reason to change post-speech photo policy.


He was laughing at the suggestion that Obama did it purely because it was the right thing to do. Not exactly the same thing.

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I was laughing at the idea that Obama is soooo in cahoots with the evil liberal media but apparently not in cahoots enough to consider their unhappiness good enough reason.


That's your (strawman) assumption about Obama's motivation though. I can't speak for Varus, but my argument all along has been that he deliberately choose to make the announcement about changing the speech photo policy, not because he was concerned about dissatisfaction by the media over the practice, but because it provided great cover if/when the dissatisfaction over the situation room photo ever reached general public awareness. It allows him (and a friendly media) to dismiss such complaints by conflating them with the much less bothersome speech photo thing and arguing that it's not a big deal and it's been taken care of with a policy change already.

Try to keep up. I've only said that this was about spin/cover and getting ahead of the situation room story about 5 or 6 times so far.
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#279 May 20 2011 at 7:26 PM Rating: Default
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bsphil wrote:
So you're upset about the fact that you assumed the validity of an initial report and made an incorrect assumption about an unclear statement inside it that has since been clarified as people have had time to digest and process the facts?


No. I'm upset that the White House mislead the media in order to garner better press for themselves. Doubly so, when it was in conjunction with an event in which they shouldn't have felt a need to do so. It speaks volumes about the administrations status-quo approach to media spin.

As to the "since been clarified"? So AP printed a correction? And they contacted every single media outlet which repeated their false portrayal of events and made sure that they got that correction out to every single person who read, saw, or heard the story so as to make sure that they don't continue to carry a false impression of the actions of the administration during the mission at second longer?


The reason it's important to make a big deal out of misleading or just plain false information put into the media is that once it's out there, it forms opinions and never comes back. You don't get to re-do the first impression. There are lots of people who still think that Joe Wilson proved that Bush lied in his state of the union speech regarding Iraq seeking to obtain uranium. The damage done by a lie told widely in the media is nearly impossible to erase or correct. That's why it's important to make a huge stink whenever it happens and why it's important to constantly point out the ridiculous willingness of our mainstream media to blindly report/repeat falsehoods when it benefits the left.
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#280 May 20 2011 at 7:44 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
There are lots of people who still think that Joe Wilson proved that Bush lied in his state of the union speech regarding Iraq seeking to obtain uranium.
Ahahaha, oh wow. That's the reference you decided to go with?

gbaji wrote:
As to the "since been clarified"? So AP printed a correction? And they contacted every single media outlet which repeated their false portrayal of events and made sure that they got that correction out to every single person who read, saw, or heard the story so as to make sure that they don't continue to carry a false impression of the actions of the administration during the mission at second longer?
I don't know. Maybe you should get mad at the AP about it then.



Edited, May 20th 2011 8:46pm by bsphil
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#281 May 20 2011 at 11:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
That's your (strawman) assumption about Obama's motivation though

What strawman? Do you even know what "strawman" means?

That's the White House's statement on the topic. Try reading an article that's not on tinfoilconspiracy.com one of these days.
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#282REDACTED, Posted: May 23 2011 at 1:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#283 May 23 2011 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ummm... did it really take you over 72 hours to think of that after you'd already responded to the same statement?

Nice try?
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#284 May 23 2011 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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Was that with Siv Ã…berg, Marlena Clark, Carol Connors, or Della Barris?
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#285REDACTED, Posted: May 23 2011 at 2:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#286 May 23 2011 at 2:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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varus wrote:
You don't seriously expect me to remember every response I make do you? Do you?
Or read. Or fact check.

Edited, May 23rd 2011 4:52pm by lolgaxe
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#287 May 23 2011 at 3:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
You don't seriously expect me to remember every response I make do you? Do you?

After it takes you over three days to to come up with one, I'd expect it to stick with you.
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#288 May 23 2011 at 4:16 PM Rating: Excellent
td;dr: did either of them ever realize that what the White House reports isn't necessarily what the press reports?
#289 May 23 2011 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
6 pages and Varus & Gbaji don't even realize that only they care, and that Joph is yanking their chains. Comedy gold!
#290 May 23 2011 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Ummm... did it really take you over 72 hours to think of that after you'd already responded to the same statement?

Nice try?

You can't forget that varus can't afford the internet at home so he can't grace us with his wisdom till he gets back to the office...
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#291 May 23 2011 at 5:28 PM Rating: Good
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Technogeek wrote:
6 pages and Varus & Gbaji don't even realize that only they care, and that Joph is yanking their chains. Comedy gold!

That's been the theme to most discussions around here for awhile.
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#292 May 24 2011 at 7:34 AM Rating: Default
Joph,

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After it takes you over three days to to come up with one, I'd expect it to stick with you.


Any chance I get to lower your expectations of me is a good day.
#293 May 24 2011 at 7:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Any chance I get to lower your expectations of me is a good day.

Glad to know you're thinking about me :)
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#294REDACTED, Posted: May 24 2011 at 11:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#295 May 24 2011 at 11:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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#296 May 24 2011 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Let's just say his actions speak louder than his words.
#297REDACTED, Posted: May 24 2011 at 12:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#298 May 24 2011 at 1:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
You sound like a jealous little school girl. F*cking yankees.

Hell hath no fury like a Man-Seeking-Man spurned
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#299 May 24 2011 at 2:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,

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Glad to know you're thinking about me :)


You're such a f*g.



Fig?? Fog?? I don't get it.
#300 May 24 2011 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nadenu wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,

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Glad to know you're thinking about me :)


You're such a f*g.



Fig?? Fog?? I don't get it.


I think he just called joph an explosive-driven ferroelectric generator.
#301 May 24 2011 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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You ladies should get a room. This daily circle-jerk getting a bit embarrassing tbh.
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