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#127 May 25 2011 at 7:19 PM Rating: Excellent

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As an addendum to my above post, there was apparently "leaning" subgroups within the Independent partisan label in the Reason poll. Including initial Democratic leaners and those who said "Democratic" when pressed, the total number of Democrats in the poll was 47.7% with a 3pt margin of error. So almost on the dot with the AP/Gfk poll. It was my fault for not scrolling down far enough to get to the final calculated results.

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Party Identification 5 (Libertarian, Constitutionalist, Tea Party Coded 3)
1. Democratic 40.8
2. Ind. Lean Democratic 5.8
3. Independent 10.5
4. Ind. Lean Republican 9.9
5. Republican 33.0
Total 100.0

Party Identification 3 (Combined 42/42a)
1. Democratic 47.7
2. Independent 10.7
3. Republican 41.6
Total 100.0

Obviously there's some liberal media bias going on here with the folks at Reason.com.

Edited, May 25th 2011 8:23pm by Jophiel

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#128 May 25 2011 at 7:27 PM Rating: Excellent

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Heck. Even your "Rasmussen is skewed by 3 points!" argument still backs me up, right?

Not at all. The 3% applied to election polling. Their polling on approval, party ID and issues can be far more out of synch.

The election error is significant because, if you're one of the worst firms for partisan bias where it's obvious, how fucked up are you going to be with issues polling where you can hide it better?

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#129 May 25 2011 at 7:30 PM Rating: Default

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I'm curious. What's the Reason polls approval rating for Obama? Wasn't it 45.6%? While Obama surely got a bump from the whole OBL thing, do you think that jumped to 60% today? What was the AP approval rating for Obama in late March of this year? Higher than 45.6%, right? Wasn't it 55%?

But the AP poll isn't skewed? Or are you now going to argue that Reason's poll is skewed as well? How many polls do we need to examine to show that it's AP's approval numbers which are the outlier? Want to take a gander at RCP?

Look at that! Everyone else's numbers are between the low to mid 50s, with an average of 52%. But there's AP. The sole outlier sitting pretty at 60%.

But their poll isn't skewed, right? Seriously?

Interesting to see who had the second highest approval for Obama (5% lower than AP, but still). Fair and Balanced indeed! ;)

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#130 May 25 2011 at 7:32 PM Rating: Default

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Jophiel wrote:

gbaji wrote:

Heck. Even your "Rasmussen is skewed by 3 points!" argument still backs me up, right?

Not at all. The 3% applied to election polling. Their polling on approval, party ID and issues can be far more out of synch.

Fair enough. It was stated earlier that the AP poll wasn't limited to "likely voters" or some such. I'm still not sure how this equates into a defense of APs numbers though.

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The election error is significant because, if you're one of the worst firms for partisan bias where it's obvious, how fucked up are you going to be with issues polling where you can hide it better?

Not much apparently, given that their numbers are much closer to the average than the AP numbers when compared with other polls. But you go on trying! It's fun to watch.

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#131 May 25 2011 at 7:33 PM Rating: Excellent

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gbaji wrote:

Desperate attempt to change the topic

Was this your way of admitting that you were wrong about that 46% thing? You didn't really say it but I think we all know what you meant :)

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#132 May 25 2011 at 7:40 PM Rating: Default

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Jophiel wrote:

gbaji wrote:

Desperate attempt to change the topic

Was this your way of admitting that you were wrong about that 46% thing? You didn't really say it but I think we all know what you meant :)

Wow! And here I thought denial is a river in Egypt.

The AP approval numbers are a clear outlier. The observation that a 46% rate of self-identifying Democrats taking part in the poll is too high is just an explanation as to *why* the poll is skewed. One kinda supports the other, doesn't it? You just got spanked.

So you have no explanation as to why AP has an abnormally high percentage of self-identifying Democrats in their polls *and* you have no explanation as to why they have an abnormally high approval rate for Obama? But you also don't think those two are connected? Lol!!!

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#133 May 25 2011 at 7:50 PM Rating: Excellent

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gbaji wrote:

So you have no explanation as to why AP has an abnormally high percentage of self-identifying Democrats in their polls

Except I just cited a completely separate poll with a higher number of self-identifying Democrats. So whose definition of "Abnormal" are we using here?

I've no issues with saying 60% was an outlier result. I haven't really said squat about the 60% number at all but I would probably attribute it to their voter screen (or, rather, lack of a screen for approval polling). I was responding to the misguided claims you and ThiefX were making about the percentage of Democrats. You still haven't admitted that you were wrong but, then, I called that quite a few posts ago.

Try saying "Lol!" a few more times. That should help.

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#134 May 25 2011 at 8:15 PM Rating: Decent

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gbaji wrote:

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You're being childish Joph. Can't we at least agree that any poll in which 46% of the respondents self-identify as Democrats is going to be skewed in favor of the leader of the Democratic Party? Yes or no? I didn't think this would be such a hard thing for you to admit, but it's like you have a mental block or something.

What about the other 54%?

46% Democrat
24% dont know/don't lean
29% Republican

Skewed pretty heavily, don't you agree?

Skewed in favor of people saying they're Democrats? I don't see what the problem is; of course I know nothing about the poll in question.

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#135 May 25 2011 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent

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Moderates are the swing voters that go between Republican and Democrat, no?

Er? Reading phail? Moderates are the group between Liberal and Conservative. You're mixing up the sets.

You don't vote liberal or conservative.

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#136 May 25 2011 at 9:00 PM Rating: Excellent

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bsphil wrote:

gbaji wrote:

bsphil wrote:

Moderates are the swing voters that go between Republican and Democrat, no?

Er? Reading phail? Moderates are the group between Liberal and Conservative. You're mixing up the sets.

You don't vote liberal or conservative.

No, Gbaji is right. It's typically phrased "Liberal, Moderate, Conservative" and "Democratic, Independent, Republican".

That would be about the only thing he's been right on but credit where due.

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