Indiana cuts off Planned ParenthoodFollow

Facts have never stood in the way of Alma, Varus, Gbaji, or any other token conservative on this board from blasting something they disagree with.

Alma will just keep repeating the funding abortions with taxpayer money point until everyone gets tired enough to stop posting in this thread. And then it'll move on to the next thread even remotely related to abortion, abstinence only education, budget balancing, or any other social hot topic that can be derailed to include funding planned parenthood.

Yes, by assist, I mean by being in the same building, else it wouldn't be a "loop hole", now would it? That's the thing, if it's only 3% of the services of PP, why are they willing to forfeit the other 97% just to keep a service that no one even uses?



Well, some of us actually read posts before posting, so I assure you that your accusation won't happen. You should try reading, it's fundamental. Plus, you look less stupid.

I see what you did there.

Treating cancer before it can metastasize and spread through the body is more cost effective and will give higher survivability odds than waiting for the cancer symptoms to become virulent enough to send the person to the ER. Regular cancer screening is a preventative measure to the proliferation of cancer.

But it costs the state money, so I guess that saving lives and citizens money is moot.

Tool.

Edited, May 15th 2011 1:22pm by decayed

And once again, Alma doesn't get it. I'm truly shocked.

If you're really concerned about the presence of the loophole, the proper avenue is to modify the law to remove said loophole. Attempting to strong-arm Planned Parenthood into giving up abortions, even though it acts completely within the law, is not the way to go.

Ummm... the "loophole" actually has to BE something. If the audits, etc show that money isn't going towards abortion services then there is no "loophole".

Again, I find it absolutely ridiculous to say that if an organization doesn't let itself get blackmailed then it's the organizations fault for not being "serious" but, since that's the horse you insist on going with, there ain't much more I can add.

Despite the incredibly poor grammar here, I agree with this assesment of the GOP.

So let themselves be blackmailed and extorted or else they "weren't really serious". Damned if you do, damned if you don't, huh?


Well, your opinion is to always take the easy way out, I guess.

Edited, May 15th 2011 6:06pm by Jophiel

Today's life lesson: Its selfless, intelligent and educated to use extortion and blackmail to shove your personal beliefs down people's throats.

I don't see it as "pride" so much as providing a service that is much needed, and refusing to be strong-armed by assholes with a religious bug up their collective asses. Again, it stuns me that you, or anyone, would see PP as being the stubborn, prideful, selfish, stupid, and ignorant. Abortion is a procedure included in women's health.

It really seems to me that, once again, you're letting your personal opinions on abortion get the better of you.

And before you accuse me of doing the same, I would also contend that a KKK organization shouldn't be arbitrarily punished by the government simply because they are the KKK, and that they would not have to prove to the government that they aren't burning crosses or hanging people. Once again, you're advocating punishment to Planned Parenthood when they've done nothing wrong simply because you don't like abortion.

You sweep the "douchebaggery" of the GOP aside with a blanket statement of how they're forcing the de-funding of the organization because of a procedure that only encompasses 3% of their operations, yet you're deriding and demonizing the group performing to the letter of the law as selfish??

Edited, May 15th 2011 6:20pm by Belkira

What I'm trying to point out to everyone is that "you all" are not acting any better than the opponents of PP. The opponents only care about abortion, but are using legitimate arguments against PP. Proponents only care about abortion, using legitimate practices under "women's health".

The reason why I call PP selfish is because from what I've gathered from you all is that this program is supposed to be about overall women's health. Yet, just like those people with "religious" bugs up their behinds, you are behaving in the same way by forfeiting 97% of your services to fight and protect abortion. Also, for the love of God, will you quit blaming religion on these things? People believe what they believe because that's what they believe in, not because of religion.

Yes, abortion is part of a woman's health and so are breast implants, liposuction and botax. Once again, people are just making this into a pseudo symbolic argument of pride. People see losing/winning this debate will have some weight in the legality of abortion.

It is definitely pride because no matter how silly it is for the GOP to question the PP's usage of money, they have the right and the legal grounds to do so. Just like PP isn't doing anything illegal nor are the opponents. All proponents have done is talked about being "strong-armed", which displays concern of being "bullied" to do something. If your concern is with the health of the people that are being treating, then being "strong-armed" in such a controversial topic shouldn't be an issue.

So, "you all" can play the "victim" role, but I'm not sure what society you're referencing where abortion wasn't either illegal or controversial. If I were in that same exact scenario, I would give up whatever is preventing me the funding while fighting to get back what I gave up. As a result, I have absolutely no sympathy for PP. If that particular service was more than 3% of the overall services used, then I could see your point, but it isn't. So, you're basically arguing on concept, which isn't wrong, but at the expense of others, which makes you selfish.