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#277 May 17 2011 at 8:15 PM Rating: Good
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If you're really concerned about the presence of the loophole, the proper avenue is to modify the law to remove said loophole.


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Isn't that exactly what Daniels is doing? He's changing the law so that the loophole which allows an organization to perform abortions in one part of the same building where they use government funds for other services can be closed. So if that's what you think the right course of action is, then why are people complaining?
Because that's not remotely what he's doing? What he did was defund Planned Parenthood. That is in no way similar to closing the "loophole".
More like just throwing the entire rope away. I mean, if you can't fix one loop in an entire rope, the best solution is to give up and get rid of the entire thing.
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#278 May 17 2011 at 8:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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but I think the point is that he is defunding PP by closing the loop hole.
Sure its closing the loophole, if you ignore various faith based organizations using churches to do their things.
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#279 May 17 2011 at 8:56 PM Rating: Good
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Sure its closing the loophole, if you ignore various faith based organizations using churches to do their things.
Keep the faith!
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Sorry, it slipped.
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Sure its closing the loophole, if you ignore various faith based organizations using churches to do their things.

But Gbaji says that doesn't happen!!

Actually, I'm not sure if they can use an actual sanctuary (and am too lazy to try and look) but they can certainly keep dual-purpose auxiliary buildings for both religious and quasi-secular government funded charitable functions.

So the GOP is okay with religion using government funds to keep the lights on in their Bible studies but work to close down clinics that maintain separate building wings under separate books for the purposes of abortion. But the GOP isn't about social engineering at all!
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#282 May 17 2011 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
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The only example I can think of off the top of my head is a soup kitchen at a church. There is a stipulation that they can't hold a sermon during those sessions, but can we really say the same money used to pay for that soup doesn't pay to keep the lights on during Sunday School?

Should I have to point out that, much like abortion, I have no problem with soup kitchens either? Or is my satirical outrage at the concept of soup kitchens obvious enough? Another one of those silly things to fight over, and doubly so to be hypocritical over.
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#283 May 17 2011 at 10:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've no problem with soup kitchens and other faith-based charities either. They just make a convenient counterpoint for showing the GOP's true motives.
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#284 May 18 2011 at 4:37 AM Rating: Good
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but I think the point is that he is defunding PP by closing the loop hole.
Sure its closing the loophole, if you ignore various faith based organizations using churches to do their things.


Hit the churches the same way... The "soup kitchen" is no different in concept. The only "difference" is acceptance in society. People favor soup kitchens, but society is divided on abortions. This goes back to PP replacing the abortion section with cosmetic surgery or a strip club. We are making unnecessary distinctions. If it's something we value, then it's ok, if it's something we don't value, then it's not ok. At the end, it's the same thing.
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#285 May 18 2011 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Planned Parenthood fights back!
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I'm not a genius (feel free to quote that), but I think the point is that he is defunding PP by closing the loop hole. Either move the abortion section out of the building or lose funding.

No, he passed a law which defunds PP but doesn't touch the loophole at all. It'd be like if I decided that oil companies should pay more taxes but I didn't want to do it to all oil companies, just Exxon, so I found some pictures of the CEO and blackmailed him into returning a few billion to the government. The effect might be the same, but that is not the way to go about it at all.
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Planned Parenthood fights back!

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The remaining space is dedicated to amenities such as coffee shops, bars, dozens of restaurants and retail outlets, a three-story nightclub, and a 10-screen multiplex theater—features intended not only to help clients relax, but to foster a sense of community and make abortion

A self-sustaining business model.
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Planned Parenthood fights back!

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The remaining space is dedicated to amenities such as coffee shops, bars, dozens of restaurants and retail outlets, a three-story nightclub, and a 10-screen multiplex theater—features intended not only to help clients relax, but to foster a sense of community and make abortion

A self-sustaining business model.


That's where I'm going for my abortions from now on.
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Planned Parenthood fights back!

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The remaining space is dedicated to amenities such as coffee shops, bars, dozens of restaurants and retail outlets, a three-story nightclub, and a 10-screen multiplex theater—features intended not only to help clients relax, but to foster a sense of community and make abortion

A self-sustaining business model.


That's where I'm going for my abortions from now on.

I didn't read that they paid for travel. Will unemployment cover the $6.00/gallon gas to Kansas?
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Planned Parenthood fights back!

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The remaining space is dedicated to amenities such as coffee shops, bars, dozens of restaurants and retail outlets, a three-story nightclub, and a 10-screen multiplex theater—features intended not only to help clients relax, but to foster a sense of community and make abortion

A self-sustaining business model.


That's where I'm going for my abortions from now on.

I didn't read that they paid for travel. Will unemployment cover the $6.00/gallon gas to Kansas?

Who cares? I'll just find some way to make varus pay for it.
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Nads,

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Who cares? I'll just find some way to make varus pay for it.


No I will not have sex with you.
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Who cares? I'll just find some way to make varus pay for it.


No I will not have sex with you.
Haha Varus made a funny.
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I LOL'd
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#295 May 18 2011 at 12:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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See, that's the difference between varus and some of the other posters, he can on occasion be amusing.
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What about Tailmon?
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I don't think we should be making fun of Varus for being a homosexual. That's really not very nice. It takes a lot of courage to put your profile on the internet and find guys willing for a hot night of sweaty buttsex with no names and no strings attached.
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#299 May 18 2011 at 2:56 PM Rating: Default
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Majivo wrote:
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I'm not a genius (feel free to quote that), but I think the point is that he is defunding PP by closing the loop hole. Either move the abortion section out of the building or lose funding.

No, he passed a law which defunds PP but doesn't touch the loophole at all.


Huh? It directly affects the loophole. The relevant portion of the law says the following:

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Prohibits state agencies from entering contracts with or making grants to any entity that performs abortions or maintains or operates a facility where abortions are performed. Cancels state funding for any current contracts with or grants to any entity that performs abortions or maintains or operates a facility where abortions are performed.


It does not mention Planned Parenthood at all. It only targets PP to the degree that PP does exactly what you said it was ok to block if one did it by passing a law. The law exactly and perfectly targets that loophole we spoke of earlier.

So why do you have a problem with it?


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It'd be like if I decided that oil companies should pay more taxes but I didn't want to do it to all oil companies, just Exxon, so I found some pictures of the CEO and blackmailed him into returning a few billion to the government. The effect might be the same, but that is not the way to go about it at all.


Lol! Really? You just make stuff up?
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