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#327 REDACTED, Posted: May 03 2011 at 9:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,

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#328 May 03 2011 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent

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Does this mean you liberals now support enhanced interrogation techniques?

Of course you realize that much of the intel that led to this was obtained in this fashion.

Really? I thought it was this.

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WASHINGTON â€“ When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the phone last year, he unknowingly led U.S. pursuers to the doorstep of his boss, the world's most wanted terrorist.

That monitored phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led U.S. intelligence to a walled compound in northeast Pakistan, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death.

The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life.

It's only been splashed all over the news lately, moron.

It's not as though they magically knew which phone to tap or who the courier was.

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#329 May 03 2011 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good

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ITT: varus approves of Obama's victory.

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#330 May 03 2011 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good

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Tulip,

That's cute you're trying to think again.

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Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier.

Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?

I don't think it was tortured out of him. THat doesn't get you results.

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#331 REDACTED, Posted: May 03 2011 at 9:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,

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#333 May 03 2011 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent

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#334 May 03 2011 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good

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Tulip,

That's cute you're trying to think again.

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Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier.

Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?

I can't say for sure, but they probably didn't ask nicely. It really depends on who was questioning him. That was back when Bush was president so I think they mainly used torture, but I think non-torture method were more effective, so they may have been nice. Can't say for sure without the files, which I would guess are TS.

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#335 May 03 2011 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent

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Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?

Nope. I have an idea of how they got the information, and honestly, I couldn't care any less as to the legality of it.

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And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.

In the case of Afghanistan, we invaded a country without a declaration of war, despite the fact that, using a little known(at least in the US south) thing called diplomacy, the Taliban would likely have handed Osama over in exchange for the evidence against him.

In the case of Iraq, you invaded a country without a declaration of war, without evidence, and without any regard for the people of that nation.

In both cases, the idea of making those countries re-imburse you, strikes me as being nearly as dumb as the reparations that Germany was forced to pay at the end of WWI(which, by the way, created an atmosphere that was perfect for a hostile dictator to take over, and would likely cause the same thing now) for a war they didn't even start.

I'm betting you've never opened a history book in your life. You're supposed to learn from the mistakes of the past, not repeat them.

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I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.

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#336 May 03 2011 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good

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Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.

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#337 May 03 2011 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good

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Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.[/b]

To know that would require fact checking and research.

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#338 May 03 2011 at 10:12 AM Rating: Excellent

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There's a pretty broad spectrum between "asking nicely" and "waterboarding" (or whatever else). Unless someone wants to go on record as saying this information was gained via waterboarding only after all prior methods had failed, claiming that this vindicates anything is just grasping at straws.

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#339 May 03 2011 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good

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Aripyanfar wrote:

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Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.

Denying that waterboarding is torture is, has always been, and will forevermore be, stupid, and I am not surprised that the people making the claim make it.

Fortunately for me I don't care that it is torture, as I believe in the effectiveness of a little aggressive interrogation. I think we should do more of it.

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#340 May 03 2011 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good

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varusword75 wrote:

Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.

Actually, it is, but that's a semantics debate I suppose. What matters is if it works, and if so, I don't care if it is torture.

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#341 REDACTED, Posted: May 03 2011 at 10:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,

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#344 May 03 2011 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent

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Fact is we know waterboarding works. Would you rather us just dismember our captives piece by piece to get the intelligence they have?

Fact is waterboarding directly lead to Osama being killed.

Fact is while Obama said he was against these techniques he's more than willing to use the intel gathered.

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It's not like I actually fact check, or read, most of the sh*t I cut and paste and post.

This quote is going to go miles.

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#345 May 03 2011 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good

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Aripyanfar wrote:

varusword75 wrote:

Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.

Denying that waterboarding is torture is, has always been, and will forevermore be, stupid, and I am not surprised that the people making the claim make it.

Fortunately for me I don't care that it is torture, as I believe in the effectiveness of a little aggressive interrogation. I think we should do more of it.

I guess if one is ok with torture, waterboarding seems like a win/win technique - it's effective yet doesn't leave a mark. Pulling off limbs, thumb screws and electical shocks can leave you with a messy liability.

Fortunately, on the evolutionary highway of humanity, I think most of us have passed by the pain-for-info mile-marker. Hopefully the rest will catch up.

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#346 May 03 2011 at 10:29 AM Rating: Excellent

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varusword75 wrote:

Fact is waterboarding directly lead to Osama being killed.

The fact is we know no such thing. The fact is that the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has said the opposite, and that is the only concrete statement we have to go on. Mr. Rumsfeld eluded to the possibility that it was employed in interviews, but no one from the current, or previous, administration has said it was used.

The only fact you present in your post, or any that you make for that matter, is that you are, unequivocally, a f'ucking idiot.

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#347 May 03 2011 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good

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Moe,

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Denying that waterboarding is torture is, has always been, and will forevermore be, stupid

BS....cutting a person up piece by piece is torture.

You can only cut off so much many pieces before you simply have stew meat. What then?

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#348 May 03 2011 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent

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Elinda wrote:

I guess if one is ok with torture, waterboarding seems like a win/win technique - it's effective yet doesn't leave a mark. Pulling off limbs, thumb screws and electical shocks can leave you with a messy liability.

I don't mind marks, either. That's for people trying to win a media window.

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Fortunately, on the evolutionary highway of humanity, I think most of us have passed by the pain-for-info mile-marker. Hopefully the rest will catch up.

The only truly fortunate thing for humanity is that even though there are a great many people who think themselves too "evolved" to acknowledge the facts of life, there are still quite a few of us who understand that some people just don't respond to "please".

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#350 May 03 2011 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent

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And you know all about being a f*cking idiot.

You provide plenty of research material.

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#351 REDACTED, Posted: May 03 2011 at 10:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,

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