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Nadenu wrote:
kiworrior wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If I'm effed up, tell me, then I can fix it.
People keep on telling you that you are effed up, so fix it.
This.
This.
By the way, I'm not sure an appeal to numbers really works here. Think about it, you all despise Almalique. From any reasonable person's perspective, and (luckily, or there'd be no applicability) many unreasonable people's perspectives, you're not a reliable source of feedback. That holds true no matter how many of you say the same thing, especially as you're not functioning independently in doing so.
He probably doesn't understand numbers anyway, so you didn't really have to expound on that so much.
Kavekk wrote:
By the way, I'm not sure an appeal to numbers really works here. Think about it, you all despise Almalique.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
LockeColeMA wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
My goal isn't to have female friends to become more than friends with, that's just a possible bonus. So, if I'm just a "friend", then that doesn't necessarily mean anything bad as long as I have other female friends. Matter of fact, I'm always the one insisting a "downplay" of our friendship if she's already in a relationship.
The women I know have this belief, or at least expresses it, that men and women can be completely platonic friends. While, I believe that is possible, I don't think it is highly likely. I'm honest with myself and with my friends by telling them that I respect them and wont ever try anything funny, but I'm also a guy, so if you present the opportunity, I will take it. I'm just being real with them
The women I know have this belief, or at least expresses it, that men and women can be completely platonic friends. While, I believe that is possible, I don't think it is highly likely. I'm honest with myself and with my friends by telling them that I respect them and wont ever try anything funny, but I'm also a guy, so if you present the opportunity, I will take it. I'm just being real with them
... have you seen "When Harry Met Sally"? Because you seem to be paraphrasing it quite well
Personally I have several friends I would not sleep with, for a variety of reasons (looks usually not one of them). Being platonic is perfectly easy with them. If you feel attracted to a person sexually, yes, then you'll have issues. Eventually you just need to figure out that not every woman is for sex. Well if I think a female that I'm not interested in might get emotionally attached, I try to keep my distance or continually state my position of the relationship.
I disagree with having a problem with being sexually attracted to a friend. I only believe it becomes a problem when you set out on acting on your feelings. It's impossible to avoid the scenario of working or being around someone that you're sexually attracted to where acting on your actions will be a bad idea. That's part of growing up. I can work with a woman who I think is sexually attractive and not try to come onto her and that skills carry over with your female friends. It's all about situational awareness.
Belkira wrote:
Interesting. So a zygote is now viable outside a woman's body.
? No? Neither is a man's sperm..
As I told Nilatai, a fully birthed child isn't capable of living without assistance. What are you trying to get at? When does it end?
Belkira wrote:
My point is, to a woman who does not want to be pregnant, the fetus is a parasite. To a woman who wants a baby, the fetus is not a parasite. It is instead something to be celebrated.
No matter how you see the "thing", it's the same in both cases. Simply changing the name doesn't change what it is.
Belkira wrote:
And your assumption is wrong. I would, since I have been birthed, have an emotional attachment to my parents. If they tell me something hurtful, I will feel sad.
But how is that hurtful? That's my question.
Belkira wrote:
lol
You see fault with that scenario?
Almalieque wrote:
? No? Neither is a man's sperm..
As I told Nilatai, a fully birthed child isn't capable of living without assistance. What are you trying to get at? When does it end?
As I told Nilatai, a fully birthed child isn't capable of living without assistance. What are you trying to get at? When does it end?
You stated that a sperm or an egg does not develop into a child without help. That a zygote was a stage in human development. I pointed out that sperm and eggs are also stages in human development. You stated that they could not develop into a child without assitance, but that a zygote would, with no help from you or anyone. But that's not true. A zygote, too, needs assistance to develop into a child. Which makes your argument against sperm and eggs moot.
Almalieque wrote:
No matter how you see the "thing", it's the same in both cases. Simply changing the name doesn't change what it is.
I understand that. I have no idea what your point is.
Almalieque wrote:
But how is that hurtful? That's my question.
It's hurtful because my mother said something mean to me. She could just as easily have said, "I never wanted a girl, I wish you had been a boy" and it would have hurt just as much because it would mean that I was a disappointment and a source of annoyance to her.
Almalieque wrote:
Belkira wrote:
lol
You see fault with that scenario?
I find you funny, watching you try to justify why you blame women, then watching you try to pretend you're really blaming some random guy that the girl found more interesting than you. The whole thing is incredibly telling, and really, it explains a lot about why you feel the way you do about a lot of things.
Almalieque wrote:
Your knowledge in one area or field doesn't automatically make you knowledgeable of any other field.. I acknowledge that fact, but it seems that you haven't.
That is my entire fucking point. God damn, how can you possibly be this dense? The whole point is that you have no knowledge in any of the physical sciences, so quit pointing out your comp sci degree as though it has any relevance in the least.
Belkira wrote:
You stated that a sperm or an egg does not develop into a child without help. That a zygote was a stage in human development. I pointed out that sperm and eggs are also stages in human development. You stated that they could not develop into a child without assitance, but that a zygote would, with no help from you or anyone. But that's not true. A zygote, too, needs assistance to develop into a child. Which makes your argument against sperm and eggs moot.
Uh, you misunderstood, either on purpose or not. A sperm WILL NEVER TURN INTO a child. An EGG WILL NEVER TURN INTO a child. Meaning, if left alone, it will not grow into a child. You do not have to do anything for the zygote to turn into a child. It will develop naturally. If that weren't the case, then why are we having this discussion on abortion? You lose eggs during your menstrual cycle right? Just wait for the zygote to exit. If that doesn't work, just ejaculate it out.
You have not proven anything and quite honestly you're wasting a whole lot of time instead of just saying that you're wrong. You know that a sperm can't turn into a child and an egg can not turn into a child. Separate, they are nothing. There's absolutely no chance of life occurring, it doesn't start until the zygote.
If you want to argue that a sperm can magically turn into a person, then so be it, but you sound silly.
Belkira wrote:
I understand that. I have no idea what your point is.
My point is that your statement of calling it different names is irrelevant.
Belkira wrote:
It's hurtful because my mother said something mean to me. She could just as easily have said, "I never wanted a girl, I wish you had been a boy" and it would have hurt just as much because it would mean that I was a disappointment and a source of annoyance to her.
So, my assumption was right. You have an emotional attachment to the cells. According to you, the cells don't represent a person or anything, just a parasite. So, you shouldn't be offended by that because you weren't anything until after 24 weeks (or whatever the cut off is).
Belkira wrote:
I find you funny, watching you try to justify why you blame women, then watching you try to pretend you're really blaming some random guy that the girl found more interesting than you. The whole thing is incredibly telling, and really, it explains a lot about why you feel the way you do about a lot of things.
LOL.. Like I said, you don't understand the statement of "Good guys always finish last"..Don't project your ignorance unto me.
Majivo wrote:
That is my entire ******* point. God damn, how can you possibly be this dense? The whole point is that you have no knowledge in any of the physical sciences, so quit pointing out your comp sci degree as though it has any relevance in the least.
Majivo wrote:
First of all, you are an idiot in all sciences; this is a necessary subset of you being an idiot in all things in general. Second, your (alleged) knowledge of comp sci is one hundred percent irrelevant here. Therefore, please quit referring to it as if it matters one bit.
Your level of ignorance and stupidity is frightening. Not only did you create an entire circle, arguing over something that was already stated, you don't even realize it. When someone even tries to attempt to demonstrate your flaw in thinking, you still don't notice it. You're just stuck in "Physics" mode or whatever study you proclaim...
There's a reason why I chose the topics that I chose to study in.
Almalieque wrote:
There's a reason why I chose the topics that I chose to study in.
If it was so that you could argue about the physical sciences despite having no relevant knowledge to them, then you picked the right thing.
Almalieque wrote:
You do not have to do anything for the zygote to turn into a child. It will develop naturally.
So I can leave mine on the kitchen counter and they'll grow into a child? Sweet! Makes have an abortion SO much easier.
Nadenu wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
You do not have to do anything for the zygote to turn into a child. It will develop naturally.
So I can leave mine on the kitchen counter and they'll grow into a child? Sweet! Makes have an abortion SO much easier.
Pilsbury is developing a new self-rising zygote.
Nadenu wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
You do not have to do anything for the zygote to turn into a child. It will develop naturally.
So I can leave mine on the kitchen counter and they'll grow into a child? Sweet! Makes have an abortion SO much easier.
Almalieque wrote:
If that weren't the case, then why are we having this discussion on abortion? You lose eggs during your menstrual cycle right? Just wait for the zygote to exit. If that doesn't work, just ejaculate it out.
A newborn will die on a kitchen counter also... WTF is your point? You support child neglect? Interesting?
Almalieque wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
You do not have to do anything for the zygote to turn into a child. It will develop naturally.
So I can leave mine on the kitchen counter and they'll grow into a child? Sweet! Makes have an abortion SO much easier.
Almalieque wrote:
If that weren't the case, then why are we having this discussion on abortion? You lose eggs during your menstrual cycle right? Just wait for the zygote to exit. If that doesn't work, just ejaculate it out.
A newborn will die on a kitchen counter also... WTF is your point? You support child neglect? Interesting?
My point is I have a fUcking send of humor and you don't.
I only support Alma neglect. And now I feel very dirty having responded to you.
I'll go get drunk so it doesn't happen again.
Now taking bets on how many posts before Belks tires of this masochistic endeavor.
Nadenu wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
You do not have to do anything for the zygote to turn into a child. It will develop naturally.
So I can leave mine on the kitchen counter and they'll grow into a child? Sweet! Makes have an abortion SO much easier.
Almalieque wrote:
If that weren't the case, then why are we having this discussion on abortion? You lose eggs during your menstrual cycle right? Just wait for the zygote to exit. If that doesn't work, just ejaculate it out.
A newborn will die on a kitchen counter also... WTF is your point? You support child neglect? Interesting?
My point is I have a fUcking send of humor and you don't.
I only support Alma neglect. And now I feel very dirty having responded to you.
I'll go get drunk so it doesn't happen again.
My bad.. When your joke is equivalent to other posters' arguments, I can't tell them apart...
Edited, May 7th 2011 12:06am by Almalieque
Almalieque wrote:
Uh, you misunderstood, either on purpose or not. A sperm WILL NEVER TURN INTO a child. An EGG WILL NEVER TURN INTO a child. Meaning, if left alone, it will not grow into a child. You do not have to do anything for the zygote to turn into a child. It will develop naturally. If that weren't the case, then why are we having this discussion on abortion? You lose eggs during your menstrual cycle right? Just wait for the zygote to exit. If that doesn't work, just ejaculate it out.
You have not proven anything and quite honestly you're wasting a whole lot of time instead of just saying that you're wrong. You know that a sperm can't turn into a child and an egg can not turn into a child. Separate, they are nothing. There's absolutely no chance of life occurring, it doesn't start until the zygote.
You have not proven anything and quite honestly you're wasting a whole lot of time instead of just saying that you're wrong. You know that a sperm can't turn into a child and an egg can not turn into a child. Separate, they are nothing. There's absolutely no chance of life occurring, it doesn't start until the zygote.
I completely understand. You don't. You're saying a sperm will never turn into a child unassisted. You need to merge it with an egg. Same with the egg, it has to merge with a sperm cell. But you seem to think that a zygote will magically turn into a child with no help from you or anyone else. Your exact words. My point is that the zygote needs assistance, just like the sperm and egg do. They need the womb in a woman's body. And, as a matter of fact, almost half of fertilized eggs DO exit naturally. It's called a miscarriage.
As for "wasting time," every single post involving you is a waste of time. You never prove anything, but you keep arguing and "wasting time." I understand and have accepted that.
Almalieque wrote:
If you want to argue that a sperm can magically turn into a person, then so be it, but you sound silly.
Which is funny, considering you're arguing that a zygote magically turns into a person, and that's not true. It needs help. From the mother. Get it...?
Almalieque wrote:
My point is that your statement of calling it different names is irrelevant.
Ok. So...?
Almalieque wrote:
So, my assumption was right. You have an emotional attachment to the cells. According to you, the cells don't represent a person or anything, just a parasite. So, you shouldn't be offended by that because you weren't anything until after 24 weeks (or whatever the cut off is).
No, dimwit. According to me, if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, then the cells don't represent a person or anything to her. Just a parasite. If the woman wants a baby, then the cells represent a baby. Your analogy is stupid. If my mother had aborted me, I wouldn't care. Because I wouldn't be here to care.
Almalieque wrote:
LOL.. Like I said, you don't understand the statement of "Good guys always finish last"..Don't project your ignorance unto me.
Poor Alma. He can't get a girlfriend because he's an idiot. :( I'm sure it really is every girl who "just wants to be friends" fault, too. We just don't understand what a special snowflake you are.
Belkira wrote:
I completely understand. You don't. You're saying a sperm will never turn into a child unassisted.
No, it wont ever happen period.
Belkira wrote:
You need to merge it with an egg. Same with the egg, it has to merge with a sperm cell.
Yes
Belkira wrote:
But you seem to think that a zygote will magically turn into a child with no help from you or anyone else. Your exact words. My point is that the zygote needs assistance, just like the sperm and egg do. They need the womb in a woman's body.
You're not assisting anything if it happens naturally. Like I said, a newborn child needs assistance to live, do you support child neglect?
Belkira wrote:
And, as a matter of fact, almost half of fertilized eggs DO exit naturally. It's called a miscarriage.
So like I said, what's all the huss-fuss about? Let it exit naturally if you don't want it. Since it "needs the mother assistance", just do nothing and let it naturally exit. Problem solved.
Belkira wrote:
Which is funny, considering you're arguing that a zygote magically turns into a person, and that's not true. It needs help. From the mother. Get it...?
Read above.
Belkira wrote:
Ok. So...?
So... by being irrelevant, it added no value to the conversation, but you presented as if it did. I countered it to say it had no effect on the topic.
Belkira wrote:
No, dimwit. According to me, if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, then the cells don't represent a person or anything to her. Just a parasite. If the woman wants a baby, then the cells represent a baby.
WTF.. You just admitted above that it was irrelevant. You agreed that it doesn't matter if the woman wants to be pregnant or not. It doesn't freakin matter. The thing is the still the same thing in both scenarios. Just because you want an abortion doesn't make it something else and just because you want to have a child doesn't make it something else.
Belkira wrote:
Your analogy is stupid. If my mother had aborted me, I wouldn't care. Because I wouldn't be here to care.
It wasn't an analogy nor was that the point. The point was to show you that people have emotional attachments to their early stages of life because they know that represented them and not some parasite. By destroying that parasite, you are destroying that person. A parent knows that and that is why a "good" parent would never say that to their child, even if it were true.
More to the point is that connection is somehow lost when referencing to abortion. When pro-choice people talk, they say it's nothing but a group of cells that don't represent a person. Yet, you admit to be sad if your parents told you that they wanted to get rid of a some filthy 'ol parasite.
If you truly believed that those group of cells don't represent a person, then you shouldn't be upset unless they wanted to kill you AFTER the legal limit when society considers you a person. That isn't the case, because even you, considered yourself a person at 3 weeks in your mother.
Pla-Dow!!
Belkira wrote:
Poor Alma. He can't get a girlfriend because he's an idiot. :( I'm sure it really is every girl who "just wants to be friends" fault, too. We just don't understand what a special snowflake you are.
You truly are pathetic, I said "Nice guys finish last"... You reallllly don't understand what that means... I mean, it's in English.. even if you never heard it before, you should be able to figure out. Yet, you can't.. This only supports the misconceptions you have in every other argument.
Nice guys don't finish last though. Its just a saying. One used to console someone who lost.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Nice guys finish last because they're losers.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Sweetums wrote:
As a child, I was locked in a cage with only a dictionary to keep me company.
snipped for siggy.
(I used to always forget my book for "creative reading" or whatever the free reading segment was in grade 5 class was, so I would read my dictionary)
also why are people talking about abortion in a thread titled "Atheism or Agnosticism?"
I would really like to know how this is all related. I'm facinated.
I would really like to know how this is all related. I'm facinated.
Derailing threads is what we do here.
Nadenu wrote:
Derailing threads is what we do here.
Also note that according to the poll results, I'm likely an agnostic gay who few people believe will being going to hell.
Almalieque wrote:
You truly are pathetic, I said "Nice guys finish last"... You reallllly don't understand what that means... I mean, it's in English.. even if you never heard it before, you should be able to figure out. Yet, you can't.. This only supports the misconceptions you have in every other argument.
"Nice guys finish last" is a phrase that losers use to console themselves when they find out they've been rejected by every woman they know. Unless you honestly believe that every well-off man is an asshole. Which, given the numerous other psychological issues you've evinced here, would not surprise me.
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