Belkira wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
Belkira wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
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So instead of a man forcing the woman to carry the baby, the government will. /facepalm
That's what you're arguing for, though.
No, I'm not. Perhaps in the case of late-term abortions, but that's something different, IMO.
No, that's stupid. How is forcing someone to carry a baby different than forcing someone to carry a baby? Honestly, if you can explain that to me I will give you the biggest fucking medal there ever was.
I meab this is especially strange because earlier you refused to call it a baby, rather than a foetus, until late in the term anyway.
If the fetus/baby/cells are viable outside of the womb, then the pregnancy has already advanced far enough that I feel it's too late to perform an abortion. No one forced the woman to wait that long.
You don't have to like it, or even be ok with it. That's not my problem. I really don't need a medal from you.
1) Whether your rationale is sound is irrelevant to the question of whether you're in favour of forcing women to carry children to term. You are in favour of the government forcing women to carry children to term. To say you are not arguing for this is unspeakably dishonest.
2) You cannot use bodily autonomy as a seperate ground of attack if this is what you believe. You think it is fine to violate bodily autonomy in circumstances where you believe the foetus is suffciently developed. Therefore, your only ground of attack on Almalieque is his estmation of whether a foetus is sufficiently developed.
3) Let's examine your rationale, though, while we're here. No, no one forced the woman not to have the abortion before then. Who says that's blameful? Maybe before then she didn't want the abortion. Maybe her financial or emotional situation changed drastically. Maybe she was fine with the idea of being pregnant didn't bother her before, but now, in all its writhing, kicking actuality, it does. I think this part of your argument is poisonous; any suggestion that the woman deserves to be robbed of this freedom, or that is is less bad to do this to her because you dissapprove of her decision making, should not be countenanced.
'Partial birth' abortions are not pleasant, and I doubt many people would take them lightly (I don't think this matters, but I'm sure some find it persuasive). What you're doing is taking the power of making that choice away from the person who's body it is and putting it with the medical profession - and maybe the psychiatric too, if we're giving you the doubtless undeserved credit of assuming you consider mental as well as physical health. You're demanding justification from someone on what they can and can't do with their own body.