Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Yes, I said that. What I meant was that I'm not a politician proposing a bill. Good one though.
That has to be the most lame backpedal I've ever seen on this forum. I don't think anyone thought you were proposing legislation to the house floor or anything, but you are clearly "proposing" a solution on this forum. Which, given that we're on this forum, would seem to be relevant enough for you to take responsibility for. Don't you agree?
Or are you arguing that nothing you say really matters because you aren't personally going to be doing anything about it? One might wonder why you bother posting then?
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gbaji wrote:
So there is no option other than to do what the Dems want? But you don't support their agenda, you just happen to think there's no other alternative! Has it occurred to you that the reason they spent so much even in the midst of a falling economy was precisely so that people like you would assume there was no option but to raise taxes?
Yes, there is another option...the one I said (compromise).
That's not "another option" That's the one you proposed (to the forum!), and which the Dems want. Please tell me you understand that the Democrats want a "compromise" which results in a temporary tax increase and small immediate cuts to pay for the current crisis so that they can push the big spending cuts to another day when there isn't a crisis and the public has become more dependent on new spending and will thus be less inclined to swap those "temporary" tax increases for permanent spending cuts.
You don't honestly believe that'll ever happen if we push it off for another day, do you? I mean, if we can't cut spending right now when we're massively in debt, why do you think we'll be able to do it when we're not? I'll ask again: Do you say this knowing that it wont happen? Or are you really just that gullible?
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Also, they had to spend so much to fix this craphole economy they inherited. See Jophiel's post above.
No they didn't. See my response, and see the numerous posts I've made about this subject on this forum over the last couple weeks. There is virtually zero data to support that we needed any spending other than TARP to fix the economy, strong data showing that the bulk of that needed TARP money has been paid back, and some more data that suggests that the actual effect from that economic crisis was more or less eliminated by 2010. Everything we're suffering right now is a result of the over spending the Democrats did in 2009 and 2010. And almost none of that spending had any effect on fixing the economy. The economic crisis was an excuse for the Dems to push all the social spending programs they'd wanted to enact over the last 40 years but didn't have the numbers to get done.
Seriously, look at the facts. TARP was paid back. Financial industry is healthy. The markets have recovered. Revenues for this year are projected to be back to 2007 levels. Yet we are sitting at 9%+ unemployment and a projected $1.5T deficit (this year). None of that can be traced to the Bush tax rates, or to the mortgage bubble bursting.
There's no magic to this. The numbers just don't add up in a way that supports what you (and the Dems) are saying. Our current economic woes can be traced almost entirely to new spending increases enacted by the Democrats since taking control of the government in 2009. I mean, we're probably still a hundred billion or so short on revenue based on what the trend should have been, but that's just not even close to explaining the deficit gap.
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You use a lot of words and proper grammar so you come off smart, I see the man behind the curtain now.
I come off smart because what I'm saying is intelligent, logical, and based on facts, not rhetoric and scare tactics. There is no man behind the curtain here. I write what I believe and I base what I believe on the data that is available. And in this case, the data very clearly shows that the current deficit crisis we're in is the direct result of massive overspending by the Democrats. It's just amazing to me that I can post the actual numbers, which show this incontrovertibly, and some people are so blinded by their ideology that they still refuse to see it.