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#1 Mar 11 2011 at 6:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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50 confirmed dead so far, evacuation of citizens near a nuclear plant, and a large tsunami swept across Miyagi after.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.tsunami.damage/index.html?hpt=C2

The video of the tsunami is pretty amazing.
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Tokyo (CNN) -- The most powerful earthquake to hit Japan in at least 100 years unleashed walls of water Friday that swept across rice fields, engulfing towns, dragging houses onto highways and tossing cars and boats like toys.

Local media reported at least 50 deaths, with more casualties feared.

And the 8.9-magnitude quake, which struck at 2:46 p.m. local time, prompted the U.S. National Weather Service to issue a tsunami warning for at least 50 countries and territories.

It also sparked fires in at least 80 locations, Kyodo news reported.

Its epicenter was offshore 373 kilometers (231 miles) away from Tokyo, the United States Geological Survey said.

But residents there continued to feel aftershocks hours after the quake. More than 30 aftershocks followed, with the strongest measuring 7.1.
"I wasn't scared when it started ... but it just kept going and going," said Michelle Roberts, who lives in central Tokyo. "I won't lie, it was quite scary. But we are all OK. We live on the third floor, so most everything shook and shifted."

A spokesman for the U.S. military bases in Japan said all service members were accounted for and there were no reports of damage to installations or ships.

President Barack Obama, while offering his condolences, said the United States was standing by to help "in this time of great trial."
Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan said an emergency task force has been activated, and appealed for calm. He said there were no reported leaks of radioactive materials from power plants.

Four nuclear power plants closest to the quake were safely shut down, the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency said.
About 2,000 residents near the ********* nuclear power plant were being told to evacuate, Kyodo said.

At Tokyo Station, one of Japan's busiest subway stations, shaken commuters grabbed one another to stay steady as the ground shook. Dazed residents poured into the streets after offices and schools were closed. Children cried.

The quake toppled cars off bridges and into waters underneath. Waves of debris flowed like lava across farmland, pushing boats, houses and trailers. About 4 million homes had no power in Tokyo and surrounding areas.

Firefighters battled a fiery blaze at an oil refinery in Chiba prefecture near Tokyo.


I have my crazy conservative cousin in Hawaii, and I'm interested in hearing what the tsunami will be like when it reaches them. Her and her family should be safe though, as they're uphill and away from the beach.

Edited, Mar 11th 2011 8:07am by LockeColeMA
#2 Mar 11 2011 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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Keeping tabs on it at work at the moment. BBC Live (May not work for those outside UK)

From what I've read the nucleur power plant's cooling system failed which is why the area has been evacuated. They don't have any actual radiation leaks at the moment.

For all the faults I think the UK has, I can be thankful natural disasters are minimal here compared to other places. Hopefully things will settle enough for international help to step in soon.
#3 Mar 11 2011 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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I've been watching web cams of Waikiki. The water completely retreated from the beach at one point.

I fear for Japan. I think the death-toll is going to sky-rocket.
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#4 Mar 11 2011 at 8:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Body count up to 2 to 300 so far. A train that was near the coast is missing. One meter tsunamis will be continuing to come inland in waves (no irony intended) for the foreseeable future. Mobile phone system is down, but some internet services are still up. People are making contact via Facebook to tell each other things like "I have your children with me, they are safe."

Drill requires all cars to halt and put on hazard lights when an earthquake happens, and the public transport systems have all been shut down. The whole nation is walking home from work, although authorities suggested they stay at work.

Japan is about the most Earthquake ready place in the world, but this is their biggest ever since modern recording equipment. Tsunamis seem to be the most damaging and threatening problem. My condolences to all the Japanese who are injured or killed in this ongoing event, and all their friends and family around the world.
#5 Mar 11 2011 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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Horrible. :(
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#6 Mar 11 2011 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
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Japan is about the most Earthquake ready place in the world, but this is their biggest ever since modern recording equipment. Tsunamis seem to be the most damaging and threatening problem. My condolences to all the Japanese who are injured or killed in this ongoing event, and all their friends and family around the world.


That's because, in the last 20 years, they've started incorporating earthquake-ready constructing into pretty much ever new building, so only old ones are at risk. An 8.9 is still a huge problem, of course, but only the old buildings are actually at a significant risk of collapse.

Tsunamis, though, just can't be protected against in reality. SOMEONE has to live on the lower ground. And beyond that, you just can't stop a massive wave--there's just too much force behind it.

I'd be willing to bet that most deaths were because of the tsunami, not the quake. :(

My friends in Waikiki had a tsunami warning. They live on the 20th floor of their building, but everyone was required to move to at least the 6th floor. I don't know what actually happened beyond that.
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#7 Mar 11 2011 at 10:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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My family in Japan, Guam, Philippines and Hawaii all accounted for. Phone service sporadic. Have an old college friend that works very near Sendai for his job and no one has heard from him yet. Smiley: frown
#8 Mar 11 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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Does anyone have any live coverage video links they could share? CNN has some but the Oregon/Cali cameras are just video with no audio or coverage.

Also, the BBC live feed does seem to work from US too.
#9 Mar 11 2011 at 10:53 AM Rating: Default
I honestly wish I could be bothered to give a crap.
#10 Mar 11 2011 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
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It was very lucky that this earthquake hit Japans sparsely populated Northeastern coast, as it could've had much higher casualties anywhere else in Japan. Sendai [The city closest] also thankfully has more people living inland, but it still has 1 million people living in it, so thats still alot of people at the epicenter.

The death toll is now expected to exceed 1000 as there was a ship with over 100 people on it that went missing, as well as now a second train is unaccounted for. Ontop of that, a dam has also ruptured in the region.

I'm very worried that the next big Tokyo earthquake is incoming soon as well.

Edited, Mar 11th 2011 5:20pm by Keikomyau
#11 Mar 11 2011 at 11:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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#12 Mar 11 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Default
What, someone doesn't like that I don't give a crap about something that happened 7000 miles away?

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#13 Mar 11 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default
Looking at the tsunami footage reminds me of 2012. Guess it came a year early. I wouldn't be surprised if the death toll hit 10,000. While I hope they have enough drills and quake experiences to maximise their safety and survivability, I doubt anyone caught in that tsunami can survive.

Edited, Mar 11th 2011 2:15pm by McGame
#14 Mar 11 2011 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Aftershock New Earthquake of 6.6 just hit inland of Niigata [West Coast] and Nagano prefectures, in addition to the regular 5.0-6.5 aftershocks of the Sendai earthquake.

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Looking at the tsunami footage reminds me of 2012. Guess it came a year early. I wouldn't be surprised if the death toll hit 10,000. While I hope they have enough drills and quake experiences to maximise their safety and survivability, I doubt anyone caught in that tsunami can survive.


Current numbers are 1200 dead.

Edited, Mar 11th 2011 8:27pm by Keikomyau
#15 Mar 11 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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I think you guys are crazy if you think the death toll will be less than 5 digits, if not 6. Lines of communication are very sparse right now, and there's no way that many of the bodies will ever even be recovered. The devastation is pretty massive, and it's rosey thinking to be estimating such low death tolls. I mean, you can see in the videos cars that are being driven down roads that are instantly swallowed up. Entire buildings gone in seconds. And let's not forget the potential nuclear crisis. If you think the death count will start to slow now, you're completely wrong. We won't know the total number of casualties for weeks.
#16 Mar 11 2011 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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I think you guys are crazy if you think the death toll will be less than 5 digits, if not 6. Lines of communication are very sparse right now, and there's no way that many of the bodies will ever even be recovered. The devastation is pretty massive, and it's rosey thinking to be estimating such low death tolls. I mean, you can see in the videos cars that are being driven down roads that are instantly swallowed up. Entire buildings gone in seconds. And let's not forget the potential nuclear crisis. If you think the death count will start to slow now, you're completely wrong. We won't know the total number of casualties for weeks.


My reasoning for believing a lower death toll is coupling a low population/density of the region of Tohoku [at 9.7 million], and that the largest earthquake in recent memory at Kobe, only had a death toll of 6500, and that was an earthquake under the city that was twice as dense. I will admit that after looking at news is that the numbers will be higher than 1500, but I dont think it will be in the 5 or 6 digits. The infrastructure to resist earthquakes are much better today. I'd put a newer estimate of maybe 3-4 thousand dead instead of my 1500 number.

I have no doubt though that if it triggers a major aftershock/earthquake in Tokyo, it will hit 5 or 6 digits.
#17 Mar 11 2011 at 2:31 PM Rating: Good
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Keikomyau wrote:
Guenny wrote:
I think you guys are crazy if you think the death toll will be less than 5 digits, if not 6. Lines of communication are very sparse right now, and there's no way that many of the bodies will ever even be recovered. The devastation is pretty massive, and it's rosey thinking to be estimating such low death tolls. I mean, you can see in the videos cars that are being driven down roads that are instantly swallowed up. Entire buildings gone in seconds. And let's not forget the potential nuclear crisis. If you think the death count will start to slow now, you're completely wrong. We won't know the total number of casualties for weeks.


My reasoning for believing a lower death toll is coupling a low population/density of the region of Tohoku [at 9.7 million], and that the largest earthquake in recent memory at Kobe, only had a death toll of 6500, and that was an earthquake under the city that was twice as dense. I will admit that after looking at news is that the numbers will be higher than 1500, but I dont think it will be in the 5 or 6 digits. The infrastructure to resist earthquakes are much better today. I'd put a newer estimate of maybe 3-4 thousand dead instead of my 1500 number.

I have no doubt though that if it triggers a major aftershock/earthquake in Tokyo, it will hit 5 or 6 digits.


You do realize that there was a massive tsunami that hit after the earthquake that no infrastructure was prepared for, right? You do remember that just a few years ago a tsunami hit south asia and killed nearly a quarter million people, don't you? The massive death numbers I'm expecting aren't just from the quake.
#18 Mar 11 2011 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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You do realize that there was a massive tsunami that hit after the earthquake that no infrastructure was prepared for, right? You do remember that just a few years ago a tsunami hit south asia and killed nearly a quarter million people, don't you? The massive death numbers I'm expecting aren't just from the quake.

You should really stick to what you're qualified for.

Assuming it's you, that is.

South Asia's a completely different topology & population profile from Northern Japan.
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Does anyone have any live coverage video links they could share?




Here.
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Guenny wrote:
Keikomyau wrote:
Guenny wrote:
I think you guys are crazy if you think the death toll will be less than 5 digits, if not 6. Lines of communication are very sparse right now, and there's no way that many of the bodies will ever even be recovered. The devastation is pretty massive, and it's rosey thinking to be estimating such low death tolls. I mean, you can see in the videos cars that are being driven down roads that are instantly swallowed up. Entire buildings gone in seconds. And let's not forget the potential nuclear crisis. If you think the death count will start to slow now, you're completely wrong. We won't know the total number of casualties for weeks.


My reasoning for believing a lower death toll is coupling a low population/density of the region of Tohoku [at 9.7 million], and that the largest earthquake in recent memory at Kobe, only had a death toll of 6500, and that was an earthquake under the city that was twice as dense. I will admit that after looking at news is that the numbers will be higher than 1500, but I dont think it will be in the 5 or 6 digits. The infrastructure to resist earthquakes are much better today. I'd put a newer estimate of maybe 3-4 thousand dead instead of my 1500 number.

I have no doubt though that if it triggers a major aftershock/earthquake in Tokyo, it will hit 5 or 6 digits.


You do realize that there was a massive tsunami that hit after the earthquake that no infrastructure was prepared for, right? You do remember that just a few years ago a tsunami hit south asia and killed nearly a quarter million people, don't you? The massive death numbers I'm expecting aren't just from the quake.


Yes I do realize, but the situations are different, the 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake had 4 seperate tsunami waves on top of a 9.0 earthquake, compounded by a lack of Tsunami Warning systems in place. Granted... while Japanese towns and cities do have a system in place, it gave between 10-20 minutes warning, not alot, but its still enough for some to get away in time to higher ground.

Any aftershock tsunamis will have minimal casualties due to most survivors at higher ground now.

It's definitely not the 88,000 people missing some US news are saying. 88,000 homes destroyed or damage beyond repair is correct.


Edited, Mar 11th 2011 9:37pm by Keikomyau
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Keikomyau wrote:
It's definitely not the 88,000 people missing some US news are saying. 88,000 homes destroyed or damage beyond repair is correct.


I know you want to believe this, but sadly, I suspect the facts will not match what you want in this case.
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Keikomyau wrote:
It's definitely not the 88,000 people missing some US news are saying. 88,000 homes destroyed or damage beyond repair is correct.


I know you want to believe this, but sadly, I suspect the facts will not match what you want in this case.


In the previous Kobe Earthquake, 170,000 houses were destroyed, and only 6000 dead. The area hit recently also is one of the hilliest and mountainous regions in Japan, ontop of people at work and alert during the time of the earthquake and tsunami.

The only earthquakes in Japan to even near that 100k number are the 1700 Edo Earthquake with 100,000 dead by tsunami and the Kanto Earthquake in 1920 that killed 140,000, 40k of that was by firestorm. The Edo/Kanto area is notable as it is a gigantic floodplain and one of the densest areas on Earth, so tsunamis and typhoons effect casualties and damage in that region far greater.

The earthquake and tsunami hit the prefectures of Miyagi and ********** which are the Japanese equivalent to the states of Maine and New Hampshire. A disaster hitting these regions will not have a large number of casualties.

Also, that 88,000 number was a misreading from Kyodo News agency, stating

"Death toll from Japan quake rises to 88, 349 missing: police", a wire followed "Death toll from Japan quake rises to 110, 350 missing: police"

With the dead in the first number, missing in the second number, somebody assumed that it was one number.

TBS News is reporting around 1000 seriously injured, 700 missing, 400 dead.
Kyodo News is reporting 1000 missing.

A few are missing in the Niigata prefecture earthquake aftershocks due to an avalanche.



Edited, Mar 11th 2011 10:43pm by Keikomyau
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I honestly hope that the numbers really are that low and stay that low. It's just that looking at the footage of the destruction, it would be a near miracle for that to be the case. The reason why official death tolls are often so low in the first hours and even days of an event like this is because the first responders primary focus is to rescue people who are in danger. They don't stop to collect or count bodies until after they've attended to those still living. With confirmed death tolls in the 400-500 range right now when there are still fires raging in many cities and roads still unable to be traversed and people still stranded on rooftops, it's hard to believe that number wont rise dramatically over time.

We can hope, of course.
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On the up side, it happened during the day when most people would be away from those residential neighborhoods. On the down side, with everyone out and about it's going to be weeks before anyone knows how many are really missing.

They are in for one long cleanup, jeez.

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#25 Mar 12 2011 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
I didn't know earthquake made tsunamis could also be on fire.

Yet another thing that Japan has shown me that shouldn't exist.
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#26 Mar 12 2011 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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That's the thing about a tsunami, though - it moves almost straight in, with no wave roll.

Here's the wave moving across SF Bay, five thousand miles later. You can see the pattern pretty clearly.

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