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#177 Mar 16 2011 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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How are these grades worked out (like the 4.0 I see being thrown about a bit)? Tried to search for it myself but it's hard to search for something when you don't actually know what you're searching for.

Is this a score used to get in to college / university for example (of which we have our own based on the grade of A levels here) or is it something before / after this stage?
A= 4.0, B=3.0, C=2.0. How do you calculate GPA where you come from?


Usually just take the letter itself (eg Oxbridge usually require 4 A's, lesser universities require less) though I think recently (in the past 5-10 years) they've tried to give each one a score. I believe you get 120 for an A, 100 for B and so on, and you need a certain score to get in, though it's not really changed anything (ie you now need 480 points instead of 4 A's). Most don't count General Studies as well because... well because it's General Studies.

A lot of subjects will require a C grade in GCSE English also (the exams taken at age 16 here), and depending on the subject others too (Computer Science where I went required GCSE Maths at C or higher as well as english).
#178 Mar 16 2011 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry Alma, I can't see what you've posted anymore. I've placed you on ignore so your posts now show up as sub-default, where they're minimized. I told you earlier to stop replying to me and you decided not to, so I figure this is the best way to not have to speak to you anymore. I can't be bothered to indulge your stupidity any longer.
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#179 Mar 16 2011 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Stop breathing. You're burning up oxygen needed by those who actual have a brain that functions.


I'm glad that you finally understand. The only way your argument would have been valid is if you believed that students enrolled into college with no intentions of finishing and I'm sure that is the minority.


No, not at all. A lot of kids go to school simply because their parents expect them to, or they just figure that's what's next and they have no idea what to do with their time otherwise.

The really idiotic thing here is you're both saying the same freaking thing. When they lose interest is completely irrelevant, but both scenarios happen. Probably to an even degree.

You really will argue with a stump, won't you, Alma?
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#181 Mar 16 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
I'm sorry Alma, I can't see what you've posted anymore. I've placed you on ignore so your posts now show up as sub-default, where they're minimized. I told you earlier to stop replying to me and you decided not to, so I figure this is the best way to not have to speak to you anymore. I can't be bothered to indulge your stupidity any longer.


If I felt the you feel you think I feel, then I would care. Obviously, if you didn't want to have a discussion with me, then you would have stopped replying to me in a debating attitude, especially with your previous post of insulting me. So add the loss to your score and drive on.
#182 Mar 16 2011 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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Stop breathing. You're burning up oxygen needed by those who actual have a brain that functions.


I'm glad that you finally understand. The only way your argument would have been valid is if you believed that students enrolled into college with no intentions of finishing and I'm sure that is the minority.


No, not at all. A lot of kids go to school simply because their parents expect them to, or they just figure that's what's next and they have no idea what to do with their time otherwise.

The really idiotic thing here is you're both saying the same freaking thing. When they lose interest is completely irrelevant, but both scenarios happen. Probably to an even degree.

You really will argue with a stump, won't you, Alma?


I agree with your statement of those students going to school because of their parents, but those kids aren't typically paying for school. His argument is that students drop out of school because they don't want to pay for something that they don't care about.

As I said in my previous post, even in the case of social pressure, students aren't just dropping out of school because they lost interest, they dropped out because they failed out.

I know it sounds trivial, but when they lose interest does make a big difference in our argument. He is trying to portray that the biggest reason why students drop out of college is because they lost interest. I'm arguing that the biggest reason is because they failed out. When you consider the students who went to college due to social pressure, they probably never had the interest to begin with.
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That was directed at me, wasn't it? I don't think you understand how the ignore feature works. If you can't keep it under about 30-40 characters, I can't see what you've written. So why bother replying if the person you're speaking to can't see it?
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#184 Mar 16 2011 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
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Are you calling me a stump?


Sure. Smiley: tongue

#185 Mar 16 2011 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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That was directed at me, wasn't it? I don't think you understand how the ignore feature works. If you can't keep it under about 30-40 characters, I can't see what you've written. So why bother replying if the person you're speaking to can't see it?


I'm sorry, I've uber blocked you. Every time you post something, your post is written in a foreign alien language in hot pink text in a bright yellow background. I'm not sure why you keep replying to me, but I will continue to engage in conversation with you even though I can't understand your alien text with unorthodox text.
#186 Mar 16 2011 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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I agree with your statement of those students going to school because of their parents, but those kids aren't typically paying for school. His argument is that students drop out of school because they don't want to pay for something that they don't care about.

As I said in my previous post, even in the case of social pressure, students aren't just dropping out of school because they lost interest, they dropped out because they failed out.

I know it sounds trivial, but when they lose interest does make a big difference in our argument. He is trying to portray that the biggest reason why students drop out of college is because they lost interest. I'm arguing that the biggest reason is because they failed out. When you consider the students who went to college due to social pressure, they probably never had the interest to begin with.


It is trivial. The entire argument is trivial. Here is what your argument looks like:

Ugly: The sky is blue.

Alma: No, Ugly. The sun is setting right now, so the sky is a shade of red lightening gradually to pink.

Ugly: Sure, but over there in the East, the sky is blue. See?

Alma: No, Ugly, you were facing the West. The sky in the West is red. Just admit you're wrong.

Ugly: But... I'm not wrong. The sky really is blue. Look, it's blue.

Alma: The sun is setting. The sky is red. Now you're trying to change your argument, but it's really red. Do you know why the ocean is blue?

Ugly: I'm not talking about the ocean, you moron. I'm talking about the sky. And it's blue.

Alma: Just answer the question, Ugly. I have a point, but you won't answer my question.

Ugly: STFU...
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#188 Mar 16 2011 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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I agree with your statement of those students going to school because of their parents, but those kids aren't typically paying for school. His argument is that students drop out of school because they don't want to pay for something that they don't care about.

As I said in my previous post, even in the case of social pressure, students aren't just dropping out of school because they lost interest, they dropped out because they failed out.

I know it sounds trivial, but when they lose interest does make a big difference in our argument. He is trying to portray that the biggest reason why students drop out of college is because they lost interest. I'm arguing that the biggest reason is because they failed out. When you consider the students who went to college due to social pressure, they probably never had the interest to begin with.


It is trivial. The entire argument is trivial. Here is what your argument looks like:

Ugly: The sky is blue.

Alma: No, Ugly. The sun is setting right now, so the sky is a shade of red lightening gradually to pink.

Ugly: Sure, but over there in the East, the sky is blue. See?

Alma: No, Ugly, you were facing the West. The sky in the West is red. Just admit you're wrong.

Ugly: But... I'm not wrong. The sky really is blue. Look, it's blue.

Alma: The sun is setting. The sky is red. Now you're trying to change your argument, but it's really red. Do you know why the ocean is blue?

Ugly: I'm not talking about the ocean, you moron. I'm talking about the sky. And it's blue.

Alma: Just answer the question, Ugly. I have a point, but you won't answer my question.

Ugly: STFU...


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Add in a few more "Answer my question" lines, and you've got his argument with gbaji in that other thread.
#189 Mar 16 2011 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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I agree with your statement of those students going to school because of their parents, but those kids aren't typically paying for school. His argument is that students drop out of school because they don't want to pay for something that they don't care about.

As I said in my previous post, even in the case of social pressure, students aren't just dropping out of school because they lost interest, they dropped out because they failed out.

I know it sounds trivial, but when they lose interest does make a big difference in our argument. He is trying to portray that the biggest reason why students drop out of college is because they lost interest. I'm arguing that the biggest reason is because they failed out. When you consider the students who went to college due to social pressure, they probably never had the interest to begin with.


It is trivial. The entire argument is trivial. Here is what your argument looks like:

Ugly: The sky is blue.

Alma: No, Ugly. The sun is setting right now, so the sky is a shade of red lightening gradually to pink.

Ugly: Sure, but over there in the East, the sky is blue. See?

Alma: No, Ugly, you were facing the West. The sky in the West is red. Just admit you're wrong.

Ugly: But... I'm not wrong. The sky really is blue. Look, it's blue.

Alma: The sun is setting. The sky is red. Now you're trying to change your argument, but it's really red. Do you know why the ocean is blue?

Ugly: I'm not talking about the ocean, you moron. I'm talking about the sky. And it's blue.

Alma: Just answer the question, Ugly. I have a point, but you won't answer my question.

Ugly: STFU...


It's not trivial because his whole argument is based on the concept that college is easy and people only drop out because they stop caring, not because of any challenges. That is completely different from my counter. My counter is that students drop out because they failed out due to underestimating the difficulties of college. If you can't see the vast difference, then that is a personal problem.

If the student "lost interest" first and then failed out because s/he would rather party and get drunk, then that supports his claim that no one academically fails out of college. On the other hand, if the student academically failed out of school and THEN lost interest, that supports my claim that college is not universally easy.

Those are two very distinct scenarios.
#190 Mar 16 2011 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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It's not trivial because his whole argument is based on the concept that college is easy and people only drop out because they stop caring, not because of any challenges. That is completely different from my counter. My counter is that students drop out because they failed out due to underestimating the difficulties of college. If you can't see the vast difference, then that is a personal problem.

If the student "lost interest" first and then failed out because s/he would rather party and get drunk, then that supports his claim that no one academically fails out of college. On the other hand, if the student academically failed out of school and THEN lost interest, that supports my claim that college is not universally easy.

Those are two very distinct scenarios.


And they both happen all the time. You're both right, ok? Just like most of the arguments you end up in.

Jesus, give it up.
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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It's not trivial because his whole argument is based on the concept that college is easy and people only drop out because they stop caring, not because of any challenges. That is completely different from my counter. My counter is that students drop out because they failed out due to underestimating the difficulties of college. If you can't see the vast difference, then that is a personal problem.

If the student "lost interest" first and then failed out because s/he would rather party and get drunk, then that supports his claim that no one academically fails out of college. On the other hand, if the student academically failed out of school and THEN lost interest, that supports my claim that college is not universally easy.

Those are two very distinct scenarios.



And they both happen all the time. You're both right, ok? Just like most of the arguments you end up in.

Jesus, give it up.


See that's the thing, I'm not denying that students never lose interest and then fail. He is stating that my claim doesn't happen or is insignificantly low in percentage. So, if both of them "happens all of the time", then I'm right that college is not universally easy and students do fail out due to underestimation.

Edited, Mar 16th 2011 11:40pm by Almalieque
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Almalieque wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
It's not trivial because his whole argument is based on the concept that college is easy and people only drop out because they stop caring, not because of any challenges. That is completely different from my counter. My counter is that students drop out because they failed out due to underestimating the difficulties of college. If you can't see the vast difference, then that is a personal problem.

If the student "lost interest" first and then failed out because s/he would rather party and get drunk, then that supports his claim that no one academically fails out of college. On the other hand, if the student academically failed out of school and THEN lost interest, that supports my claim that college is not universally easy.

Those are two very distinct scenarios.



And they both happen all the time. You're both right, ok? Just like most of the arguments you end up in.

Jesus, give it up.


See that's the thing, I'm not denying that students never lose interest and then fail. He is stating that my claim doesn't happen or is insignificantly low in percentage. So, if both of them "happens all of the time", then I'm right that college is not universally easy and students do fail out due to underestimation.

Edited, Mar 16th 2011 11:40pm by Almalieque


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#194 Mar 16 2011 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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See that's the thing, I'm not denying that students never lose interest and then fail. He is stating that my claim doesn't happen or is insignificantly low in percentage. So, if both of them "happens all of the time", then I'm right that college is not universally easy and students do fail out due to underestimation.

Edited, Mar 16th 2011 11:40pm by Almalieque


He's not stating that either...

For Chrissakes. Smiley: facepalm
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We get it Alma. College was difficult for you and by us saying college is easy it lessens your accomplishment. That's ok though, so long as you still put heavy weight on your near meaningless accomplishment.
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How do you calculate GPA where you come from?

Rationally I'd hope. It's entirely ridiculous that I get a numerical grade rounded to a letter grade contorted back into to a numerical grade.
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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See that's the thing, I'm not denying that students never lose interest and then fail. He is stating that my claim doesn't happen or is insignificantly low in percentage. So, if both of them "happens all of the time", then I'm right that college is not universally easy and students do fail out due to underestimation.

Edited, Mar 16th 2011 11:40pm by Almalieque


He's not stating that either...

For Chrissakes. Smiley: facepalm


Yes he did, he even stated as such in his reply below.

"We get it Alma. College was difficult for you and by us saying college is easy it lessens your accomplishment. That's ok though, so long as you still put heavy weight on your near meaningless accomplishment."

See, he's claiming that undergraduate is overall easy. Therefore, according to what you just said, he is wrong.
#198 Mar 16 2011 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
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See that's the thing, I'm not denying that students never lose interest and then fail. He is stating that my claim doesn't happen or is insignificantly low in percentage. So, if both of them "happens all of the time", then I'm right that college is not universally easy and students do fail out due to underestimation.

Edited, Mar 16th 2011 11:40pm by Almalieque


He's not stating that either...

For Chrissakes. Smiley: facepalm


Yes he did, he even stated as such in his reply below.

"We get it Alma. College was difficult for you and by us saying college is easy it lessens your accomplishment. That's ok though, so long as you still put heavy weight on your near meaningless accomplishment."

See, he's claiming that undergraduate is overall easy. Therefore, according to what you just said, he is wrong.


No, that's what you want him to be saying.
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We get it Alma. College was difficult for you and by us saying college is easy it lessens your accomplishment. That's ok though, so long as you still put heavy weight on your near meaningless accomplishment.


Let me guess.. After graduating high school (if you even done so), you realized that you had reached the max educational learning potential for yourself. With no real life dreams or aspirations, you just decided to join the work force for who ever was hiring with enough wages for you to survive. Looking at all of your supervisors and better off friends with degrees, you've grown this overall hatred of jealously and self failure towards education. As a result, you ridicule the education system in order to try to make yourself seem not as worthless to society.

Given the fact that there are many jobs that require you to simply have a bachelors degree, any reasonable person would not call it a "meaningless accomplishment".

It's ok, we get it, you failed at life and by other posters being successful, it brings internal pain towards yourself.
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
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See that's the thing, I'm not denying that students never lose interest and then fail. He is stating that my claim doesn't happen or is insignificantly low in percentage. So, if both of them "happens all of the time", then I'm right that college is not universally easy and students do fail out due to underestimation.

Edited, Mar 16th 2011 11:40pm by Almalieque


He's not stating that either...

For Chrissakes. Smiley: facepalm


Yes he did, he even stated as such in his reply below.

"We get it Alma. College was difficult for you and by us saying college is easy it lessens your accomplishment. That's ok though, so long as you still put heavy weight on your near meaningless accomplishment."

See, he's claiming that undergraduate is overall easy. Therefore, according to what you just said, he is wrong.


No, that's what you want him to be saying.


Well, I'm sorry, I'm reading English. I'm not sure what you're reading. He clearly said "By us saying college is easy". I'm not sure how else to interpret that other than "we are saying that college is easy"

Edited, Mar 17th 2011 12:51am by Almalieque
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Let me guess.. After graduating high school (if you even done so), you realized that you had reached the max educational learning potential for yourself. With no real life dreams or aspirations, you just decided to join the work force for who ever was hiring with enough wages for you to survive. Looking at all of your supervisors and better off friends with degrees, you've grown this overall hatred of jealously and self failure towards education. As a result, you ridicule the education system in order to try to make yourself seem not as worthless to society.

Given the fact that there are many jobs that require you to simply have a bachelors degree, any reasonable person would not call it a "meaningless accomplishment".

It's ok, we get it, you failed at life and by other posters being successful, it brings internal pain towards yourself.
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